Is this holder OK? reference from SGC board

packCollector · February 3, 2004 9:55PM

While reading the sgc board, there was reference made that WIWAG is still selling under the following ebay user id. This Koufax card came across my radar and I opened the link and could not help to notice the edges of the holder , especially the bottom. Any thoughts, maybe I am being paranoid as the card looks good in the scan, but I don't want to get stuck with a nightmare . thanks

61 koufax

edited to add link

helionaut · February 3, 2004 10:40PM

The botom and the right edge look odd, with intermittent light patches. But the card looks nice. Tough to say, but if you have any doubts, there are more cards out there.

Basilone · February 3, 2004 11:20PM

The problem is that the seller went a little overboard with the "sharpen" feature on his editing program.

BigKidAtHeart · February 3, 2004 11:26PM

and as usual the SGC board posters
(most of whom are exiled former members
of this board!)
are trying to start something.

gemint · February 3, 2004 11:28PM

Nothing stimulates forum activity like a good controversy.

theBobs · February 3, 2004 11:38PM

Can someone post the scan? For some reason, I get the dreaded "red X" on the ebay page...

packCollector · February 3, 2004 11:41PM

I know the SGC guys are exciled but I am just looking for opinions. I have never dealt with this seller and I know nothing about them besides what I see on ebay. I don't want to get stuck with a bad card but i don't want to pass if there isn't anything there as the card is one I need. Looking at the scan, it looks fishy, If others have bought cards from them that looked similar but when they received the cards the holder was fine, maybe due to the sharpening like John said , then that would be helpful. if others have bought cards from them and had issues then that would also be helpful. thanks

theBobs · February 3, 2004 11:57PM

<< <i>Looking at the scan, it looks fishy >>

You answered your own question. Stay away and buy another card.

wolfbear · February 4, 2004 1:03AM

Their GAI cards and an SGC card they have up for auction all look 'fishy' too,
so it must be their scanning technique.

It's too bad that someone's reputation can be ruined by a disgruntled ex-psa employee,
who tells a rumour to a disgruntled ex-psa submitter, who then proceeds to concoct yet another fantasy conspiracy theory.

Sad really ...

gemint · February 4, 2004 1:45AM

Scans of holders sometimes make them look questionable. I would ask the seller if they have a return policy. If they do, ask them if the holder is cloudy anywhere around the perimeter. If not, then buy the card. If it arrives and shows signs of tampering, return it for a refund. It looks like a nice card though a bit thin left to right. It may be from vending and therefore slightly undersized.

Fabfrank · February 4, 2004 1:55AM

PackCollector- I see your concern. Although the card looks fine, the bottom edge of the holder seems to have some issues. Now sometimes the edges of PSA holders will have some "clouding" at spots or rough, scratched areas. But this card exhibits that right along the whole bottom. I compared the card to some of his other PSA offerings, and all the others cards don't exhibit this. All the other PSA holders looked pristine, except for the Murray PSA 9. But even the Murray holder didn't have the consistent cloudiness that the Koufax holder shows on the bottom edge.
I would buy the card and than send it to PSA for reholdering. Mention any concerns you might have with the card and see how they respond.

srs1a · February 4, 2004 2:30AM

I think the real question here is has anyone done business with this dealer? There has been speculation that this eBAY ID is the WIWAG guys. Anyone have any insight?

AlanAllen · February 4, 2004 2:46AM

I have bought from Card Merchant many times. The only problem I've had is with a tall boy that was slightly damaged in shipping due to being too small for the slab (moved around a bit). The '62 Fleer PSA 8's I have bought from them are particularly sharp. I don't have them in front of me, but when I get home I'll check them out for edge cloudiness and signs of trimming.

Joe

RonD · February 4, 2004 3:56AM

From the reading I've done their name is Poway Cards. Actually the affiliation with WIWAG happened to be identified on these boards. The exiled members had nothing to do with this, as far as I can tell.

The holder in this example looks ok.

Ron

packCollector · February 4, 2004 4:00AM

here is the response I received , he also followed up that I would make a new scan of the front and back and send it to me later today, glad to see he is standing behind his product and offering good service.

HELLO, THE CARD AND HOLDER ARE FINE. THIS CARD WAS SUBMITTED TO PSA LESS THAN
4 WEEKS AGO AND RECEIVED AS IS IN THE HOLDER A WEEK AGO FRIDAY. WE HAVE A
100% SATISFACTION MONEY BACK GUARANTEE FOR ALL OF OUR TRANSACTIONS. WE HAVE
CONDUCTION OUR LAST 8000 TRANSACTIONS ON EBAY WITHOUT A NEGATIVE OR NEUTRAL.
THANKS
FOR YOUR INQUIRY.

koby · February 4, 2004 4:02AM

San Diego, California

cloudy holders.....

packCollector · February 4, 2004 5:06AM

here is the response i received with the new scans. the new scans had that yellow lining that that some scanners produce but the holder looked perfect. I guess in his effort to correct the lining is what made the holder look bad. I kind of feel bad that I asked this here instead of going to him directly 1st.

AS PROMISED PLEASE SEE ATTACHED SCANS OF 1961 KOUFAX. ALSO IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS CARD FEEL FREE TO CHECK WITH PSA ON DATE
GRADED ETC. THANKS, WOLF.

-IN REFERENCE TO ANY INSINUATION THAT OUR HOLDERS HAVE BEEN TAMPERED WITH
AND THAT ANYTHING BUT THE ACTUAL CARD THAT PSA GRADED IS NOT THE ONE IN THE
HOLDER.
-WE GUARANTEE THAT ANY CARD WE SELL THAT WAS GRADED IS THE CARD THAT WAS
PROFESSIONALLY GRADED AND IN THE HOLDER IT WAS RECEIVED IN FROM THE GRADING
SERVICE (OR RESOLD AS PURCHASED FROM OTHER EBAY SELLERS). WE HAVE A RECORD OF
EVERY CARD WE HAVE EVER SUBMITTED, THE SUBMISSION FORM #, AND THE EBAY SALES
TRANSACTION # RELATED TO THAT CARD. WE ATTEMPT THROUGH OUR SCANS TO LET
POTENTIAL BUYERS VIEW THE CARD IN ITS UTMOST CLARITY AND SIZE TO BE ABLE TO
MAKE A SOLID PURCHASE DECISION. OUR CLIENTS CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT WE RUN
AN HONEST AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AND OUR EBAY RATING OF OVER 10,000 POSITIVES
TRULY VERIFIES THIS. WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR OVER 20
YEARS. WE ALSO HAVE A 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEE POLICY FOR ALL OF OUR
TRANSACTIONS.

THANK YOU - CARDMRCHNT

koby · February 4, 2004 5:11AM

Both the card and the holder in the scan above look fine.

Basilone · February 4, 2004 5:37AM

Guys-

Play with the "sharpen" feature in your photo editing software and you will see the same results with your card. This looks like a case of too much photo manipulation.

aconte · February 4, 2004 6:11AM

pack,

I hope you got a larger scan. With this size you can't tell if their are fish eyes on the red background
of the player's name. It looks like there could be some. And that would not make the card a great
8 to me. Rob McBride (buckwheat) has a website with his cards. All the scans are large as they
should be to get a good idea on a card. Good luck if you bid!

aconte

Is this holder OK? reference from SGC board

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