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Newbie says "hi" and asks "1954 flat-pack proof set; is it possible?"

Hi, folks. I’m a first-time poster, and I have a question that maybe one of you pros may have some thoughts about. (By the way, I’ve been looking over the posts for a few days, and I’m dazzled by your collective coin knowledge, wit and camaraderie!)

Here’s my question. I was looking for a 1954 proof set and I noticed a curiosity on Ebay: a 1954 proof set in supposedly original plio-film flat packaging. Everything I’d seen was pretty clear that the Mint didn’t issue flat packs until mid-1955, and that the ’54 sets came only in a box. But here it was. (I’m going to attempt to put in an active link, but forgive me if I screw it up. I’ll post the URL, so you can paste it in, if you’re interested in seeing it.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2217465282&category=41111&sspagename=STRK:MEBWN:IT&rd=1

So I contacted the seller. She was perfectly nice, said she knew little about coins, and said she was just selling her mother’s collection. Apparently, her mother had acquired this some time in the 50s.

My first thought was: it’s just a garden-variety set, and someone thought they’d have a little fun by sealing it in a fake flat-pack. But why? It’s obvious that the Ebay seller wasn’t trying to capitalize on the “unique” packaging. (Note the absence of hype about the packaging.) And if someone were trying to put a Capital holder set back in phony “original” mint packing, wouldn’t they have thrown it into a brown box and the little stapled packs, rather than invite closer scrutiny with a highly unusual (maybe unique) flat-pack? Anyhow, I figured that, for the price, I was, at the very least, getting an OK proof set (I’ve examined it, and they’re proof coins, as described).

But do any of you know whether the Mint did a test-run in ’54 of the flat pack? Any idea who’d know for sure?

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the forum! Dunno 'bout yer proof set but I'm sure many here do and will help you out image
  • Good question..I have a 1954 Proof set but it is the box type....Have not seen a flat pack, I do have the 1955 in a flat pack though...
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
    '54 flat link

    Welcome aboard.

    Surely it's fake.
    Tempus fugit.
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  • mnmcoinmnmcoin Posts: 2,165
    The mint did not make any flat packs in 1954, halfway through 1955 the switched from boxed sets to the flat cello used through 1965. I have seen a few flat pack sets from 1954 and 1952 believe it or not. Usually what people do, is take coins out of a 1956-1964 set with a sharp knife, carefully, just on the edges and the insert the other coins, and heat seal the cello.

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  • This is really strange !! Why would someone do this? I have never seen a proof set prior to 1955 but from what I heard is that the mint packaging was really poor. So someone might feel it would look better in the flat pack , clean the coins ,and claim it was mint sealed .Now if this was an authentic flat pack 1954 set, it must have the original yellow envelope that would say 1954 proof set on it. however a forger could change either the 9-5 to a 4 on the envelope. I would just assume this is a fake for sure, dont buy it !!!
  • Thanks to one and all for their insights!
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the 1980s it was a common occurrence to see dealers packaging up singles and making flat pack proof sets. Most packaged up their inferior quality 1960s coins and resold them as original sets. They also made up mint sets from the years none were made and sold them. Normally, you can tell by the seams on the homemade sets. The seams are smaller than the normal seams on the mint sealed sets. No flatpack sets were made in 1954,
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  • The Mint started using flat packs partway into 1955. None were used in '54.

    I checked with an expert on original packaging of US proof sets and he concurs that this is for sure a counterfeit package. The pattern made by the heat sealing machine is different. One or more of the coins could have been switched out from a proof set. I can't see each coin very well but the Lincoln does look funny.
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    welcome
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