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Record Number of PSA 10s for Me!

gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
I received my grades from the latest submission and pulled 12 PSA 10s (vintage mid 70s commons)! That's by far a record for me. My previous high was 2 and I've only ever received 3 10s out of about 5,000 cards submitted. I'm glad I didn't get the grader of death.

What's the highest quantity of vintage 10s you ever received in a single submission? These 12 came from an invoice of approximately 500 cards.

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  • gemint...congratulations...do you plan on selling the cards, or are they for your personal collection. Hopefully, the latter....hope the cards give you latest enjoyment.
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  • Thats a nice order. Not recently but a few months back I got 12 10's from 79' Football out of about 250, 13 10's from 76 Football out of about 200 and about 10 10's from 77 Football out of only 100. Besides that I havent had much success with high % of 10s. Out of over 1000 70' Topps BK I have submitted I only received 1 10 and out of maybe 1000 69' Topps BK I have never gotten a 10. Hopefully I can top my previous record soon!!

    VBC
  • gemmint - can we see the invoice - always curious to see how others fared overall

    ED
    Collecting 1967 Topps in psa 9 and 1971 topps in psa 8

  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    It's raining 10's

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  • Gemint: How many days did it take them to complete your order? Were these on the $5 service?

    VBC
  • theBobstheBobs Posts: 1,136 ✭✭


    << <i>It's raining 10's >>



    Are you suggesting that PSA should put a "born on date" on the flip...
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  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    well...........
    ..........I heard somewhere that Dimitri "big cheese" Young was looking for a second opinion on his PSA 10 collection image
  • That's awesome Gemint! Congrats!
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the invoice:

    Submission 4096572

    Zip code is 95037

    Received = 1/16
    Grades posted = 1/23

    Pretty good turnaround for a relatively large order.

    To answer other questions:

    grillo - Many will stay in my collection. Some will go to eBay to offset my grading fees and pay for the next submission. image

    vintageballcards - Don't feel bad. It's much tougher to get a 10 on anything earlier than '72. I've submitted a ton of 60s commons and stars, many of vending quality, and never received a 10. This was the $5 service.

    gemmintman - Thanks.

    Murcerfan - Well, 10s have always perplexed me. Aside from stricter front/back centering guidelines, 10s always come down to the qualitative "visual appeal". I wonder how many PSA 10's and SGC98's would get the same grade if they were cracked out of the holders and resubmitted?

    Incidentally, I also pulled a 9 on my Mike Schmidt rookie. It shows on the invoice as the Ken Reitz rookie card but I called PSA and caught it before the order shipped. All in all, it's one of my better invoices.
  • Pre-1972 "vintage" 10's from PSA is like holes-in-one in golf. Most of us ain't gettin' any. I've had one and sold it as fast as I could.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Congrats on the nice submission, and nice mix of 10's you received. If I may ask a simple question, how can you get so many cards in under one submission number? I send in large orders like that, but can only fit 25 per invoice, and have to pull and print several invoices all with different numbers as part of the order. Just wondering, since this way seems easier to track.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Congrats on the nice submission, and nice mix of 10's you received. If I may ask a simple question, how can you get so many cards in under one submission number? I send in large orders like that, but can only fit 25 per invoice, and have to pull and print several invoices all with different numbers as part of the order. Just wondering, since this way seems easier to track. >>



    I use multiple forms and cross out the submission numbers on all but one form. I used to leave the pre-printed invoice numbers on the forms but they'd always end up combining them, so I went ahead and did it myself. That way I know which invoice number the grades will be posted under. This was more of an issue prior to PSA implementing the email notification.
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    This got me thinking.........
    .............just how many graded Gem Mint 10's do I own ?

    exactly one.

    a 1969 Topps Super Roy White PSA 10 . It's one I crossed from an SGC 92.
    and I know for certain the only 10's I ever got from either company were from PSA on my '69 Supers set, which were almost entirely crossed over (busted out) from SGC 88's, 92's, 96's, about 10 in all recieved the crown of PSA 10. I think those rounded corners can be confusing image

    a funny thing...the idea of perfection.

    Gemmint,
    I agree with your thoughts and congrats on the grades,It really is fun seeing those invoices get posted with that big fat 10 grade

    I am actually now of the opinion that if PSA 10 graded cards was my game, I would think real hard about a second opinion from GAI and Baker and this whole exemplar service (back to the Dimitri 'you're wearing me out' Young thing); seems that it would make a more solid investment in terms of longevity. It would be hard to argue that both graders were being whimsical. But then again, the ones that don't cross become instant liabilities ??
  • jersterjerster Posts: 828 ✭✭✭
    I'm still awaiting my first 10... image


  • << <i>If I may ask a simple question, how can you get so many cards in under one submission number? I send in large orders like that, but can only fit 25 per invoice, and have to pull and print several invoices all with different numbers as part of the order. Just wondering, since this way seems easier to track. >>



    ctsoxfan-

    Take a look at this thread. We discussed it a few weeks ago. Many methods were discussed so take your pick. image

    gemint -

    Congrats! I hope I have your luck on my order!

    Justin
    Currently collecting the Nolan Ryan Basic and Topps Player sets.

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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    10 30640420 1976 TOPPS 629 SANDY ALOMAR N/A 9
    10 30640421 1976 TOPPS 629 SANDY ALOMAR N/A 8


    These are 2 card that stick out when looking through. A PSA 8 just sold for $400 , now there is a 9 and another 8, will wither one of these cards approach that level, hmmmm
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    john
    the luzinski 9 is that for sale?the madlock?jim umbarger?gaylord perry?vida blue?i would also be interested in a few of the 8's.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jackstraw - Most will likely be for sale. I pulled them from my personal set which is the best of four vending made sets I've owned. I was reluctant to break the set but seeing the recent strength of high grade low pop '76s convinced me to do so. Since it's nearly impossible to determine their value and I've received multiple requests for these cards, I plan to list them on eBay when I receive them. You should be seeing them listed shortly.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    gemint is this the luzinski that turned the 9?





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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure if it was that one or the other I submitted. I was probably that one.
  • Gemint:

    The question you posed in your initial post got me thinking. That being the case, I went back and looked at my old invoices to see which one I received the most 10's on. The invoice was from October of this year and consisted of 250 cards. I received 53-10's on the submission. A breakdown of the 10 is as follows:

    1970 Topps - 1
    1973 Topps - 1
    1977 Topps - 5
    1978 Topps - 27
    1980 Topps - 3
    1981 Topps - 10
    1981 Squirt - 1
    1983 Drakes - 4
    1984 Topps Traded - 1

    Granted some of these years aren't considered vintage, but turning a 10 on a 20-30 year old card is still exciting to me.

    The invoice number is 4031884 and the zip is 97232 in case anyone is interested. Before you get too excited, all of the pre-1978 material is gone as well as the Squirt and Drakes cards.

    Frank
    Looking for 1975, 1978, and 1979 Topps Baseball in high end PSA 9 and PSA 10.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That was a nice invoice. Maybe we got the same grader?
  • To get results like we received you have to start with nice cards and get really lucky. Of course having the moon and the planets in the right locations is a must as well! image
    Looking for 1975, 1978, and 1979 Topps Baseball in high end PSA 9 and PSA 10.
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  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    53 tens on one invoice??........ wow.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    funky frank do you put a loupe on ever card you submit or is just a 3x look over?i have to tell you i look at about 10 cards with that thing and i'm ready to flush it down the toilet!
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  • FBFB Posts: 1,684 ✭✭
    Last year I submitted 2200 cards - roughly 1200 of those were from 1972. I received over 400 PSA 9's... I'm STILL waiting for my first 1972 PSA 10 on my own submission. Out of over 8000 submissions in the last 5 year - I have one - 1968 #511 Bill Kelso. I'll never forget when I got it... I quickly switched from the invoice over to the pop report to find that at the time, it was a Pop 30.

    I just gotta stop checking off that "No 10's please" box on the invoice when I send it in...
    Frank Bakka
    Sets - 1970, 1971 and 1972
    Always looking for 1972 O-PEE-CHEE Baseball in PSA 9 or 10!

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  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    Over 14000 cards submitted with only 7-10's and 2 of those were SSPC's so those dont count.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I don't count the '74s, I've only ever had one other 10 and it was on a '73. So I'd be batting about the same average as FB. I guess I'm lucky with '74s for some reason.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    my 10's i have received in about 1000 cards submitted to psa.
    1976 topps yankees team was bgs 9
    1976 topps mets team was bgs 9 both were bought from dsl and cracked out by me so i had my doubts on if they were sheet cut or not. i thought they were but frank owns them now so maybe he could tell better then me.
    1981 o pee chee ray bourque bought in white plains raw. i think in 95 when i first started to submitt to psa. as far as sheet cut i would say no but i almost crapped when i got it.
    95 bow best emmitt smith refractor. pulled from a pack by me.
    95 upper deck die cut sp insert peter forsberg another pack pull by me
    84 topps active hits leader don't know were i got it but it was in one of my submissions.
    89 ml debut griffey was yanked from a set and submitted.
    i also got two sgc 98's. sammy sosa 90 tiffany and a griffey score young superstar.
    my first psa 10 was a donruss mcgriff rookie that i bought in white plains from keppler in 95.
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  • I received 15 PSA 10s on a 152 card modern bulk submission back in November - all 15 from different issues! image

    1991 Topps
    1992 Topps
    1980 Kelloggs
    1975 Topps Mini
    1987 Jiffy Pop Disc
    1988 King B
    1988 Topps Rite Aid
    1989 Score
    1987 Sportflics
    1988 Sportflics
    1989 Sportflics
    1985 Topps Rub Downs
    1988 Panini Stickers
    1989 Fleer
    1989 Upper Deck

    JEB.
  • "it's raining ten's"

    well, not for me, but lately it has been drizzling

    prior to october 2003:

    1100+ psa submissions = no tens

    after october 2003:

    50 submissions = three tens (all 72's)

    the funny thing is that on my last submission i had 2 cards that i thought could be 10's 72 topps ollie brown and mike lum, the brown was a 9 and the lum an 8. i had two cards that i was afraid may get a PD qualifier, 72 royals team (color) and 72 hal king (light print on reverse), both 10's.

    i just sent in 50 cards and now i'll be disappointed if i dont get any 10's. i don't know what's worse, knowing you won't any get tens or expecting tens and not getting them.... i'm afraid i'm going to find out.
  • John:

    I use a Peak Scale Lupe 10X. The model number is 1983. This is the same type of lupe that Levi at 707 sells. I happened to buy mine online after doing an Internet search for it.

    I personally think that looking at cards under magnification is somewhat over rated. I use my lupe more for measuring centering than anything else. This particular lupe has a scale that has been invaluable to my submissions. Since I’m only really looking for 9’s or better (on most cards) being able to accurately measuring centering is very important. I’ve tried small rulers before, but this lupe allows me to measure cards down to the millimeter. I’ve cut the number of 8’s I receive down significantly because of it.

    I’m not saying that I don’t look at cards under the lupe. However, its only when I see a problem with my bare eyes first. Only then do I use the lupe to see the nature of the flaw. If the flaw is chipping of the enamel caused in packaging with no wear to the actual card stock, PSA tends to be more forgiving. However, if it is fraying or blunt corners, they tend to be a little tougher. I usually can’t tell the difference between the two without the lupe. Using the lupe to determine the type of wear and then weighing the wear along with the overall appearance of the card (centering, surface, edges, gloss, etc.) has helped increase my percentage of higher grading cards.

    I hope this makes sense. If you have any questions, please ask.

    Frank
    Looking for 1975, 1978, and 1979 Topps Baseball in high end PSA 9 and PSA 10.
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  • I have submitted over 20,000 cards to PSA and never used a lupe once. I too agree that the use of it is overrated, it takes way too much time and to be honest I don't think PSA uses one either on a regular basis, they might use one on certain circumstances but on the avg card they use the naked eye.

    VBC
  • John:

    I just saw your post about the PSA 10 Yankees Team and Mets Team cards I picked up from you. Funny, you never mentioned you thought they might have been sheet cut before you sold them to me. image

    I looked at them both very closely under magnification and I am OK with them. I’m not saying with 100% certainty that they aren’t sheet cut, they could very well be. However, they don’t have all the tell-tale signs of being sheet cut. They are both exceptionally nice, but under 10X magnification they have very light “peach fuzz” stubble running along the top and bottom edges (it would be the left and right edges if they were not horizontal cards). Meanwhile, the same “peach fuzz” does not appear to the same degree along the left and right edges. Furthermore, the Yankees card has couple of small “buckling” spots typical of vending cards. This occurs in packaging.

    One of the tell-tale signs that I’m used to seeing includes cards with edges (and corners) that are absolutely flawless on issues where flawless edges and corners didn’t come from the factory. That trait, which I’ve seen on other 76’s, doesn’t exist here. Furthermore, they are not like the recent low population 75’s to hit the market that I’m sure are sheet cut. Those particular cards have rougher edges and cuts on the corners and edges that reflect light the way none of the other 15,000-75’s I’ve handled do. In addition, they sometimes have wavy edges and, in many instances, you can see the cutting marks in the edges of the cards under magnification.

    Frank
    Looking for 1975, 1978, and 1979 Topps Baseball in high end PSA 9 and PSA 10.
    ______________________________________
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>they might use one on certain circumstances but on the avg card they use the naked eye. >>



    I can't believe that for a minute. You mean that they are not looking at each and every card under some sort of magnification? Just the naked eye? Can't be. There would be no way to accurately measure centering issues if you were just eyeballing the cards.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm quite sure they do use a 10x loupe. That's what they've always claimed. And I've received my fair share of 8s on cards that show absolutely no wear without magnification. In fact, I recently purchased an SGC 96 common from 1966, cracked it and crossed it over. I thought it was a weak 9 at best because it showed a micro touch on one corner under the loupe. Sure enough it came back in an 8 holder.
  • I guarantee you guys that they do not use a lupe on every single card. Do you have any idea how long it would take for them to grade stuff? These guys are proffessionals they can do a majority of cards with the naked eye. I am positive that on some cards they do use magnification but not on the avg card, they grade hundreds of thousands of cards and honestly there is no need for magnification on a majority of cards...I know BGS and GAI do not use them either, I have seen Mike Baker grade probably 1000 cards right in front of me and never used a lupe once.

    VBC
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why would it take any longer to grade using a loupe? No matter how great a grader is, some flaws are simply undetectable with the naked eye. I pregrade all my cards using a loupe and I can grade a card in about 10 seconds. And I don't consider myself to be a pro. Maybe a very good amateur. image
  • If you can grade a card with a lupe in 10 seconds then you obviously aren't looking for all of the aspects of a card that a grader has to look for. A grader doesn't just look at the corners and grade the card, they have to detect for trimming, coloring, restoration, all of that stuff. It's not a quick process, Of course the grading would be more consistent if they used a lupe on every card but maybe thats why once in awhile you see a flaw on a 10, or a 9 that could be an 8 image

    VBC
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course they have to look at all other aspects. I check those aspects as well. It doesn't take that long when you've done it thousands of times.
  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    They use a loop. I've seen it done firsthand.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep. If people don't use a loupe before submitting, they're asking for trouble.
  • Hmm, I have seen it done myself as well and didn't see a lupe being used. Oh well, it's not a big deal. As far as my experience goes, maybe it's because I am still young and my eyes are still "fresh" but I have submitted over 20,000 cards in the past few years and never used a lupe once and I am more then happy with the results I have received but everyone should do what they feel comfortable doing and if thats looking at the card under a microscope go for it! Whatever brings in the 9s and 10s.

    VBC
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was happy with my results when I didn't use a loupe. However, my results still improved noticeably when I started using one. It helps you screen out the borderline cards. Even if you have 20-15 vision, there are still defects that are too small to see with the naked eye. Many 8's look mint until you put them under the loupe, then you see why they didn't get the mint grade.
  • 19541954 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭
    Gemint-
    Just sent in 361 cards and got 12 back as PSa 10's. I guess we tied.

    1954
    Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice going '54. Should I try to submit some 1952's and see if I get the same % of 10s? image
  • 19541954 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭
    I don't think that will work, but if you are going to do something other than this new stuff-----please try 1934 batter ups. image That will be amazing.

    1954
    Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    i know that sgc and psa both use some sort of magnification because, i had a 55 parkhurst newsy lalonde card that was drop dead goergeous. i sent it to sgc first(because i loved the holders when they first hit the scene. i was hoping for an 88 or 92 and maybe a 96? when i got the card it was a 60 or ex mt 5 for those that don't know what the scale is equal to. i called sgc and at the time joe merkel told me there was a spider web type wrinkle on the card. it took me a 10x loupe and about 3 days to find. i literally had to hold at an angle in 100 watt lighting??????????????????? i cracked it out and sent to psa and got a 5 so to say they use some sort of magnification i would confirm that. if mike baker doesn't loupe then he sure didn't grade that lalonde.i also sent in a griffey rookie that had a small crease in it that was only seen under magnification and it graded a 6 so i would say yes they use it.

    frank i wasn't completly honest with those two and the carew but i do recall telling you that they were once bgs 9's. i also saw the peach fuzz on the side boarders so i kind of chalked it up as legit but wasn't 100% positive. i heard that dsl would send the sheet cut cards to bgs because psa would reject them? can you elaborate on the 75 sheet cards that are hitting ebay? is it the blyleven?that dick allan is smoking and i want it but the van man is on it so no thanks.
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    I bought a fairly cheap Fleer basketball set (1987-88) a while back, and all of the cards appeared mint as could be. I submitted a handful of the stars, and sure enough, I got a few 10's, a few 9's, and a few 6's!. All looked the same to the naked eye, but apparently the 6's had some flaws only seen under magnification. Otherwise, those 6's would have been at least 9's to the "naked eye" grader, right?
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