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YAHOO...LOOK WHAT I GOT- Wanted-REAL EXPERT OPINIONS_ CALLING DAVID HALL-BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE

BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
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Check it outimage This part of my post has obviously been edited and YES, I realize I'm in the wrong Forum AGAIN! Seems a lot of members are aware of this coin, whereas I am not. In 2002 I may have been a PCGS Gold Club Member but I had no computer. I need A REAL EXPERT OPINION before this dealer ships this thing. I have technically already paid for it but am reasonably sure I can speak with Paul Zepadody of Numismatic Assets at uscoins@optonline.net about this coin before it actually leaves the building. Any body besides me believe that a 5% re-stocking fee is just a tad outrageous and maybe should have tipped me off that "Something" just might be amiss here? We've already had a long chat about this coin but he did not disclose any of it's history and technically, I don't know if he is legally bound to. The slab both before and after reads PCGS 64, The question is...Is it or is it not a PCGS 64? By that I mean was this strange looking toning on this coin present when it was first deemed PCGS 64 the first go round or did "something" happen in the first holder it was in..the Green labeled one that WWQ has so generously provided us all a link to back to the time it was auctioned at Heritage , I believe for $3680 on 6-6-02. WWQ's pictures clearly indicate that INDEED this is the case. Was $3680 the going rate not quite 2 years ago? What's going on here? Personally, I have my own opinion. I'll ask any so-called expert the same question I asked the dealer, Paul..."What the hell is that on top of his head and just what exactly brought on such strange toning!?
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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,449 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wowimage Great coin; your pockets are alot deeper than mine!!
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  • islemanguislemangu Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭
    Niceimage
    She got to be heading towards the Southern Cross and taking another's placeimage
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  • beartracks42beartracks42 Posts: 2,834 ✭
    Nice coin.image
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Boom.. I passed on that coin b/c I dont think its a beauty. Plus for the $$$ there has to be nicer out there. If you are looking to upgrade that coin, dont bother. It was already submitted and came back as a 64 again. So much for your "green holder" theory. When I questioned the seller about the coin, he said it was just made. Little does he know that when you spend almost $6k on a coin, you do some research.

    Nevertheless, here is a truer picture of your coin, which sold at a Heritage auction in June 2002 for a mere $3680. I believe this is more representative of the coin you will receive.


    1932-D sold in Heritage auction

    By the way.. YOU ARE STILL IN THE WRONG FORUM for this. You are neither soliciting to buy or sell coins here.
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It'll cost $300 with postage to return it. Ouch!
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  • aussieloveraussielover Posts: 177
    Ahhhhhh image !
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    WWQ for some strange reason I'm picking up a bad vibe from you-almost as if you have something against the seller or whatever! But-regardless here's where I stand...you keep waiting around for your perfect white PCGS 64 1932-D and you'll be fortunate to come away with a PCGS AU-58. Contrary to some beliefs there is not an infinite supply of these running around and at the rate demand is outrunning supply ...at the rate these Mint State Rarities are climbing, IF and I mean IF you are EVER fortunate enough to find a White PCGS 64 1932-D it will cost you an arm and a leg. No matter what anyone says or thinks-PCGS obviously deems this coin MS 64 ! As for my Green label theory..I still stand behind THAT too! This is but ONE instance. Have you seen my 63 ? When set between the MS 65 1932 and the MS 64 1932-S even a non-collector can see which is BY FAR the superior coin! All my Green labeled slabs that I personally hand-picked are candidates for up-grade. I wish you luck in your quest for your perfect White Beauties...I consider this a bargain price for a PCGS 64 1932-D. The only opinion that matters is the one who has signed their Name on this coin not once but TWICE-Green label or Blue label. THEY SAY IT IS MS 64..that's good enough for me! While you're waiting-I'm buying. This makes PCGS MS whatever #3 in 32-D. I have the same amount of PCGS 32-S (MS 62,63 & 64) Hell...I even have some beautiful White PCGS au 58's too- for when the MS's run out...you can get in touch with me then...I MIGHT sell you one of THEM! I even have some certiied XF's ,too. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?image And then there are the raw ones too.....
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  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    I know what you mean about supply. I was lucky to find a non-corroded (although it still has some problems) 1793 cap cent. If you want to complete that set you do what you got to do. With all due respect I don't like the toning or that greenish look on the back. As a matter of fact what I do like about this coin is it proves PCGS is not the God of grading. I think this coin did cost an arm and a leg. If it were cracked out of that holder it would sell as unc. I doubt even choice. I'd eat the neg. tell the seller I changed my mind and won't give him $300 to look at his coin.
  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    Just one more word of advice, never put in two bids like you did. Since you can't make the same bid twice it implies a second bid atleast one bid increment higher. I've been known (just to be a jerk, ya go figure me a jerk) to bid one bid higher in these cases knowing I won't have to buy the coin.
  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Nice pick up ol boy

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  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    I even have some certiied XF's ,too

    If you mean for the 32-S, where the hell's mine...image
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Boom

    Nothing against you at all!! There is NO rush for me to buy an average MS64 ugly toned quarter. That's just not my process for buying coins. This is a game of patience and waiting for the 'right' coins to surface. Its taking me almost 5 years to assemble my set and I am willing to wait to find that VERY NICE PQ example to fit my standards. I will pay a premium for it, but it will be a premium coin for the grade. The coin DOES NOT have to be 'white' but it must be a PQ example, like most of the coins in my collection.

    By the way, there are no "perfect" MS64 coins. Just some are better than others. And I want the best I can find. Your coin wasnt for me, even at $5,000. I think you paid a lot even if you think it was a bargain. At $3680 it was a bargain, but not now. Additionally, the fact that the seller was not forthright in the history of the coin, led me to shy away from it. Whether or not he was the one who tried to upgrade it, it was not a freshly made coin as he stated.

    As for your reference that I will end up with an AU-58. Sorry, but I dont indulge coins at that grade. The coins I pick out are one to two undergrades below the top grade (depending on the coin and availability), if the top grade is unobtainable.

    I agree that the supply is not as great as one would believe. The pop reports for this date are way over the amount that is really available. But in the meantime I'm still actively looking.

    Enjoy your coin and be proud of it. It s a 64 all day long!!
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • crcrewscrcrews Posts: 325
    Hey Old Friend, I read this last nite, and did not respond,but today you asked for opinions and I got one,and because you asked. You paid too Damn much...... [ Period] The Grey Sheet Bid is$4600.00, Ask is $5100.00, Top money should be $5000.00 I would not have Paid More than $4800.00. Of course I don`t have A wad to Deal Frivousely with, But my Collection Cost Total $219,00.00 and will Greysheet Bid at around $325,000.00. I have a piece of Ocean front Property In Kentucky if you are Interested. The Point of the Issue is you did not Bid or Buy at Auction, no one else was trying to Bid at this opening Bid. If my memory serves me correctly there were only TWO BIDS and they were both YOURS. You did not Buy this with a Bid placed but with a streight BUY. Its like fishing, you bait and cast and then wait. Remember, You Asked, And I am still your Friend, C.R. Crews
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  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    I cringe when people make their dealings so public. What is calling David Hall going to accomplish?
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Boom

    I just read your edited (first) post. Seems like you are doing an about face. First you boast (as the title of this thread would indicate) that you picked up a PQ coin for a bargain price. Then after reading my post and providing a link to a previous auction, you are rethinking purchasing the coin you are buying.

    The auction CLEARLY states that there is a restocking fee of 5% to prevent the cherrypickers from "looking' at it. It also CLEARLY states to ask any questions BEFORE you bid (not after). The auction was on the block for almost a week if my memory serves me correctly. Certainly enough time to ask all the questions that you needed to (as I did).

    So with all the experience (some 40 years) that you also boast about, how could one make such a mistake. If its a 64 all day long, pay for the auction and move on. Dont let my little blurb about it not being "right" for me stop you. Not every coin is for every person. I thought it was a lot of money for the coin you bought. Without the ugly toning spots on it, it would be residing in my collection.
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    WWQ...actually I want to thank you for pointing these things out. I did ask a lot of questions that got answered however I did not know the history of the coin. I am man enough to say, "Hey. you know I just may be wrong." I have a propensity to defend myself when I perceive that I am being attacked. In hindsight , it is I who looked at a lot of things in the wrong light.Two wrongs do not make a right..actually I can today, appreciate where you're coming from and today I will be big enough to say I apologize for lashing out at you the way I did! Thank you for your honesty!image
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Boom

    Although I do not know you well, I think I know you well enough to know that you DO NOT come from a bad place. I think your intentions are good and I have enjoyed reading some insightful posts (the one without all the crap in them).

    No apology necessary as I did not take anything you said personally.

    I wish you all the luck in building your set. I hope you add many new additions over time and that the 32-D fits well with your set. If you liked the coin enough to bid on it, then its yours to keep. The history doesnt matter much at this point since you like the coin. The fact that it sold for $3680 a year and a half ago is irrelevant.

    Enjoy it and move on.

    All the best

    WWQ
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I cringe when people make their dealings so public. >>



    Well TWQG, this sometimes works out really well.

    We learn as we are reminded of restocking fees that sometimes pop up, learn the history of certain coins, the poster gets invaluable feedback from the rest of us, much of it, I might add, private as well as public.

    We all learn as no deal is ever a "perfect" deal as there is no "perfect" coin or price!

    I salute boom for coming out of the "closet" with the admission that maybe, just maybe he just might be wrong on this.

    Remember this and it is TRUE FOR ALL OF US..........BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!!!!!!image

    So now lets make this experience really count!!!!!!!!!!
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  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭


    << <i>Well TWQG, this sometimes works out really well. >>

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  • quarterjackquarterjack Posts: 553
    Oreville, well said!
    Boom, if your happy with your purchase, i'm happy for you and i don't even own a 32D right now.


    Dave
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    So.. what was the outcome on this purchase?
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Here is the final outcome. The pictures make the coin look terrible but actually , when you see it in person and hold it in your hand, it's very beautiful and those marks are hardly noticeable. You can hardly see them even with a 5X- It's as close to White as White can get. I presented the coin's history, thanks to you www, to David Hall and the seller. The seller and I have already worked out re-stocking fee...there would be none. DH has agreed to a spot review. Now that I have it, I'm not at all sure it merits one... but if I want one I can send it in. The dealer even said I could send it back to him and he would take care of it...he's a very nice guy actually and now that I have the coin in my hand it seems much to do about nothing. Eye appeal-fantastic. Looks very nice -White. Magnified images make every little thing seem much worse than it really is. I can see now why at some point someone did a walk thru as it is gorgeous and looks like a 65! Worth every dollar!image I'll just stash it along with the rest of my extra keys!
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Boom

    Glad it worked out. Pictures can be deceiving as we all know. But could you clarify one thing:

    but if I want one I can send it in and the dealer even said I could send it back to him and he would take care of it...

    What does this mean actually?

    WWQ
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    The spot review done by Mr. Hall himself!
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    What is a spot reveiw and how can I get that done for my coins?
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    email Araceli Flores. Here is her email to me regarding this. I hope this helps you out wwwimage Hello Warren

    I do apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you, however you can send this coin in for the DH Spot review service. All you have to do is write it up on a new submission form, include noted on where the strange activity is and also a copy of the invoice that shows how much you paid for the coin. Once we get the coin in our possession we will be able to determine what we can do for you.

    PS.
    When sending emails to PCGS, please be sure to only send it to one person. This will help eliminate multiple people working on the same issue. If you wish you can email me only directly and I will show it to the appropriate people.

    If you have any questions feel free to call me at 1-800-447-8848 ext 168 or email me at araceli@collectors.com.

    Thank you
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