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There is some very sad news across the street. Link
On that thread, srs1a wrote:
P.S. also get some stones about banning people -- like list it upstairs in the "strike zone". While it is a 180 degree spin on the previous topic, rumor has it that "dude" was banned although it was never mentioned above. If MW1 was also banned, that makes 2.
It's no rumor Scott. It's a fact. I was banned.
Here is the exact message given:
Your account has been banned or locked: trolling.
I found that to be hysterical since I was only responding to some below the belt personal attacks that were initiated against me.
Also for your information, I was never given a warning or a strike notice either. If you are in doubt that it's still a rumor, the password used was "idiotsavant" in honor of one certain dealer that seems to know a lot about vintage sportscard issues, but seems to lack any type of intelligence in any other area of his life. Unfortunately, I can't remember that guy's name right now. (As for the password, there are no quotes and for any of you hackers out there, please go ahead and waste your time trying that password on any of my other internet accounts. I use a unique password for each account.)
On that thread, srs1a wrote:
P.S. also get some stones about banning people -- like list it upstairs in the "strike zone". While it is a 180 degree spin on the previous topic, rumor has it that "dude" was banned although it was never mentioned above. If MW1 was also banned, that makes 2.
It's no rumor Scott. It's a fact. I was banned.
Here is the exact message given:
Your account has been banned or locked: trolling.
I found that to be hysterical since I was only responding to some below the belt personal attacks that were initiated against me.
Also for your information, I was never given a warning or a strike notice either. If you are in doubt that it's still a rumor, the password used was "idiotsavant" in honor of one certain dealer that seems to know a lot about vintage sportscard issues, but seems to lack any type of intelligence in any other area of his life. Unfortunately, I can't remember that guy's name right now. (As for the password, there are no quotes and for any of you hackers out there, please go ahead and waste your time trying that password on any of my other internet accounts. I use a unique password for each account.)
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the word "lawsuit" is thrown around way too leniently. can you sue if someone has made disparaging, libelous remarks about you? yes. but in Mr. Moser's case, i doubt he will. if a civil suit is brought against MW, every piece of evidence in his defense will come to light. if Moser is truly guilty, this means bank records, computer records, ebay records, everything will be investigated. it would be pretty easy for an investigator to unearth any illegal or unethical activities Mr. Moser is or has been a part of. Mr. Moser and the other alleged card doctors won't do anything, because it seems pretty damn clear that they're crooks.
You are a smart guy and I do not for one minute condone any of the personal attacks, but realize there is a major problem here(I know you do from our conversation) and these guys are trying to be part of the solution. If what Michael and Greg are attempting to do can actually get rid of the people who are altering and restoring cards and getting them into graded card holders, then we all ought to try to be supportive.
Jim
I disgree with this. The only accusation made is if a guy doctors cards. It should be a civil suit regarding that issue alone. I can't see how the defense can go on a fishing expedition. His income is irrelevent. In a civil case, the defendant has to provide more evidence that the plaintiff is doctoring cards himself and the plaintiff only has to show only slightly more evidence or doubt that he isn't doctoring cards. The defendant pretty much has to prove to a jury that he knows for a fact he is doctoring the cards himself which pretty much means he saw him do it. The plaintiff can always say, "that's how the cards were when I bought them from some stranger at a show".
That's pretty damn sad if SGC is willing to ban him for trying to help the hobby. Then again, PSA had deleted posts (but not outright banning ID's) regarding similar topics. I wonder what Gary has over these grading companies that they would react this way.
I fully understand SGC's position on this. Message Boards in general are not responsible for the content when it's immediately posted under the 1996 Telecommunications Act. However, they do have a responsibility in how they moderate them. They run a risk in that if someone complains to the Moderator about a message being libelous and they refuse to delete the libelous statement(s), then they can be held responsible for those statements.
If people want to be consumer watchdogs, they should set up their own website and reap the consequences: good or bad.
Nick
Reap the whirlwind.
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I agree. The evidence is not yet convincing that card restoration is a widespread problem. I would like to see Greg and Michael present what they know. Most of what I have heard is second hand and it is enough for me to be alarmed.
Why would Greg deliberately hurt his business to take this on?
Jim
edited: to remove my real opinion
<< <i>dude - I think what was being referred to was that the records of all of Moser's purchases and sales, under his many IDs, could be brought forward.
Nick >>
you are correct. much like an auditor, a civil defense attorney can request computer, financial, account, etc records. records such as these (especially computer and acct records) can be easily traced, and it's very hard to cover up any or all wrongdoing. i got this info from a lawyer who works at my mom's office.
by the way, i am sure that the ebay ID's he allegedly uses are registered to different cities or states. but if he is the owner of these ID's, i suspect he runs each account from the same computer. i'll email the addresses from each account, and see if the response emails come from the same computer IP address. if they do, odds are he's guilty.
"It's a slipperly slope. I'd rank them somewhat:
Most minor - removing a gum stain from the front
Moderate - removing minor creases, rubbing out corners (with a spoon)
Significant - removing significant stains, flattening corners by working the paper
Severe - Trimming, adding color, rebuilding corners by adding paper
So where do you draw the line? It seems the first is almost universally accepted, the second is pretty much accepted by most people - it's not really much different from taking your fingernail and rubbing something out. The "severe" category is pretty much frowned on - no one wants a trimmed card. But as I said, it's a very slipperly slope between working a corner and dipping a card in some solvent to clean it up.
I've bought a LOT of raw cards, and I can count the number of true solid NM/MT pre-35 cards I've owned on one hand that came from original collections (besides obvious stuff like Tom Barkers, etc.) Yet many of these dealers seem to have endless supplies of it. Same with MINT 9 cards from the early '50s - they just don't exist in natural forms.
The sad fact of the matter is, that all of the above are being done to cards, and being holdered by BGS, PSA, and SGC (and on down the line)."
Food for thought.