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What do you think of these 2 morgans?

perroperro Posts: 122
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Since Russ posted that aweful looking Kennedy the other day that turned out to be an MS66, I've become even more confused.image What do you think of this Morgan & how would you grade it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2218436607&category=39465&sspagename=STRK:MEBWA:IT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

Sorry I don't know how to make a link (i'm a coindummy & computerdummy) so you'll have to cut/paste to your browser. I'd really like to know--I'm trying to learn about grading.
Charis, eleos, kai eireenee para Theou (Grace, mercy, and peace from God, in ancient Koine Greek),

perro

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  • perroperro Posts: 122
    Sorry, I meant 1 Morgan.
    Charis, eleos, kai eireenee para Theou (Grace, mercy, and peace from God, in ancient Koine Greek),

    perro
  • 66impalaSS66impalaSS Posts: 131
    linky


    Looks like photoshop has been working here.
  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    cleaned and xf at best. KEEP LOOKING.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no bids yet at the $100 level, and he'd be lucky to sell it for that. Ugly coin nets VF at best, and worth probably 20 bucks.

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Well first of all it's sure as hell not a BU or even close!
    See the difference in color between the peripheral around the edge and the fields & on the face? That's wear! The luster has been worn away thus the darker color.
    It really looks like it has been worn away with a polishing cloth but maybe it's just a bad picture.
    Looks like a XF-$36 to me but it may go a low AU.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • nepbrs44nepbrs44 Posts: 600 ✭✭
    Cleaned........XF at best
    Bill.

    Bust Half & FSB Merc Collector
  • perroperro Posts: 122
    You missed my point. I have no desire to buy the coin--it's hideous. my point is that Russ posted that 66 Kennedy that looked like it got stuck in a garbage disposal. Both coins look thrashed to me. Yet you all knew it was a high grade. What is the difference? I don't think I'll ever figure out grading. I've looked at many coins & still just don't get it. Why was Russ' coin a 66?
    Charis, eleos, kai eireenee para Theou (Grace, mercy, and peace from God, in ancient Koine Greek),

    perro
  • agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    I don't know which of Russ's coins your talking about but if you haven't figured out the difference between an XF coin and MS66 coin you need to look at alot more coins. Forget learning by pictures they can be deceiving. Go to shows and shops.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    I don't know what Russ's coin looked like but I just told you what a xf-au Morgan looks like.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    perro....Luster think Luster. I think Dog said that in his post. image

    Ken
  • perroperro Posts: 122
    For Dog97, talking about not knowing the difference between grades, I just bumped Russ' post to the top. Check out the Kennedy obverse and you'll maybe see what I mean
    Charis, eleos, kai eireenee para Theou (Grace, mercy, and peace from God, in ancient Koine Greek),

    perro
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perro:

    The 64 Kennedy may have toning that you find objectionable. I personally have not seen the coin. It mostlikey is an end roll coin that has nice original lustre with minimal contact marks making the coin a candidate for an MS66 grade. There are other 1964 Kennedy Halfs out there that you may find more appealing. Grading has a subjective component to it that is difficult to explain...

    The 1884-s Morgan is one sad looking coin. It has been cleaned to the point that if it were submitted to one of the big three TPG companies, it should either be body bagged or net graded...perhaps to a VF35.

    What is the difference? The 1964 Kennedy is original and the 1884-s Morgan clearly is not. From the scan, the 84-s doesn't seem to have much going for it...There is really no eye appeal.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Perro,

    The Kennedy in Russ' thread has pretty ugly toning, but it has no wear. I know it's very difficult to see the difference from the pic Russ put up. Go back to that thread and look at the reverse of the Kennedy. It is full luster and is very nice. If it were circulated, or bore any evidence of wear, both sides would have been affected. The obverse of the JFK has toned. It was stored in such a way that the obverse was exposed and the reverse was not. While what you see on the JFK may look like wear, it is just heavy toning obscuring some of the coin's detail. If you had that coin in hand, you'd likely see cartwheel luster beneath the toning. Toned coins are very difficult to photograph.

    As for the Morgan you linked, I see no toning that would obscure any detail, and the reverse shows the same wear the obverse does indicating a circulated coin. In addition, the surfaces of the Morgan look unnatural. Morgans usually have a lovely satin luster, not a hard shiny look. There's much more to say, but that'll get you started I hope.

    You certainly could fool many experts with the JFK pic if there was no reverse pic. image

    Link to the coin that you find confusing.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor

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