crummy PSA results

pandrews

i just got some stank news.. 2 sweet cards I sent in come back evidence of trimming.. I have NEVER sent anything in to PSA with good results.. getting very discouraged.. I held these 2 cards in particular up to several other cards from the same year, all obtained in different places, and they matched perfectly..

koby

Sorry to hear about your results. If I were you, I would submit to SGC or GAI. Sometimes, different companies look for different things and these companies may overlook things that PSA found.

srs1a

Contrary to the prior advice, I would suggest that if they really are trimmed they aren't going to get in a GAI of SGC slab -- to suggest otherwise is absurd.

Take a hard look at the cards -- study the grain on all 4 sides, look for bat-ears, look for surface wear that is inconsistent with the egdes/corners. If nothing looks odd...and they measure correctly, then give it another shot. If you end up suspicious about something, let them go.

I think that most knowledgable collectors would agree that a trimmed card is unlikely to get into a PSA, SGC, or GAI holder...unlikely, but not impossible...for all 3.

aconte

Koby gives some sound advice.

However, I think I got better advice. I would try again. There is a good chance the cards get
graded the second time. If that does not work you may want to try certain Psa authorized
dealers especially if you think the cards are not trimmed. This way if they get graded you can
maximize your return when you sell. Note that if they come back trimmed after trying this
I would not send to SGC or GAI since they would obviously grade as trimmed as well.

Good luck. I think you might be pleasantly surprised with your results! Keep us posted.

aconte

aconte

srs1a,

I think you are being too negative. We should cheerfully applaud when other board members
offer advice, regardless of the fact that it comes from an unknown source.

I'm also offended by the fact that you must think I'm not a knowledgable collector.

Well good night all. My feelings are hurt now.

aconte

pandrews

i certainly appreciate all the advice.. I guess all I can do is cross my fingers and try again.. its on a couple of 58 topps baseball cards.. I was hoping for PSA 7 or 8s.. oh well..

estang

Do you receive any description back from PSA on why they think that they are trimmed? Do they tell you where on the card it appears to be trimmed? Do they tell you that the card doesn't measure correctly? Do they tell you their reasoning, is whay I'm saying?

If they don't explain the reasoning, then I think that they are doing a dis-service to the industry.

I ask because I do not know. I only have experience in submitting to another grading company and when the card I submitted either did not get graded (due to coloring on 1971 baseball black border that I didn't catch) or didn't meet a minimum grade, they pointed out why.

At least I got some reasoning for the $xx I paid for someone to "professionally" grade it, or attempt to.

gemint

I'm not trying to start a flame thread but I think it is reasonable to consider submitting them to one of the other companies. If, in fact, the card isn't trimmed but may exhibit attributes that make them more questionable, one of the other companies may indeed holder them. I know of several cases where pre-war cards were rejected by PSA and sent to SGC where they were holdered. These were cards that had a strong provinence but maybe were slightly miscut or shorter than standard size. Certain issues may be treated differently between the grading companies. One company may reject them because they can't authenticate them. This doesn't mean the cards are altered. It just means the grader was not willing to put his neck out on a card that had some uncertainty to it.

But I don't agree with the assessment that other grading companies overlook what PSA finds. I consider SGC and PSA to both be quality grading companies (haven't dealt with GAI, so I have no opinion there).

pandrews, please note that even if the cards measure up they can still be trimmed. I own several vintage cards that are oversized. These cards could be trimmed down and still measure correctly.

pandrews

<< <i>Do you receive any description back from PSA on why they think that they are trimmed? Do they tell you where on the card it appears to be trimmed? Do they tell you that the card doesn't measure correctly? Do they tell you their reasoning, is whay I'm saying?

If they don't explain the reasoning, then I think that they are doing a dis-service to the industry.

I ask because I do not know. I only have experience in submitting to another grading company and when the card I submitted either did not get graded (due to coloring on 1971 baseball black border that I didn't catch) or didn't meet a minimum grade, they pointed out why.

At least I got some reasoning for the $xx I paid for someone to "professionally" grade it, or attempt to. >>



i agree 100% that they should give details, but PSA doesnt.. just says "evidence of trimming".. i plan to call them Monday and see if they can give me more information.. I also sent in a sweet 1966 Topps Mickey Mantle a few weeks ago and it came back as a Factory MISCUT.. THE CENTERING WAS NICE!!.. a few days later I see somebody post a crooked looking PSA 8 1975 Topps Nolan Ryan... seeing that Nolan Ryan was like salt in my wounds.. if there was ever a "miscut" the Ryan fit the bill, but they gave it an 8.. hmm.. my sweet looking Mickey Mantle a "miscut..

gemint

I agree it would be nice if PSA stated the reason why specific cards get rejected. Keep in mind though that this slows down the grading process which costs money. I doubt we'd be seeing a $5 modern special if they were required to document why every card was rejected. Some invoices have scores of rejected cards. You will need to send the cards back to PSA for review. They will tell you why the cards were rejected. But they can't do so after the cards have already been sent back to you since they don't keep records of why cards are rejected.

Regarding the Mantle/Ryan, "crooked" is different than "miscut". A card can be crooked and still get graded. We call these diamond cuts. The grading companies measure these cards at the worst point of centering and determine the grade accordingly. A miscut card is either not completely square or has centering worse than 90-10. For your Mantle, check to see if the card is perfectly square. If one side is cut at an angle or doesn't have a straight edge (card gets wider as you go from one edge to the other), it is miscut. If the back of the card has centering that is worse than 90-10, then it is miscut.

Sorry that you've had bad luck with your submissions.

packCollector

I believe miscut means that the card is not a rectangle. it happens if the sheet slides in production. a diamond cut iwhich is what the ryan probably was is not a miscut but looks much worse. The cards will measure an even rectangle but was just printed crooked

I just received the designation on a 61 topps kemp that looked nice . I sill fully examine it when it gets back

shouldabeena10

I keep seeing all of these threads about the success ratio on resubmitting trimmed cards. Is it just me, or does this worry anyone else?

If all it takes to get the trimmed cards into a holder is constant resubmission until we finally stumble across a sleepy grader... than aren't we kinda pissing in our own pool?

Mike

mrc32

shouldabeena10- I agree completely. Just one of a few things that worry me about PSA

cavalier

You do get different results. PSA was sent some T206's from the Southern find several years back (by a private collector-not a big name or authorized dealer) and they measured up short, and hence PSA noted evidence of trimming. They all came back from SGC either 92 or 96. The chain of the cards was very short. The find - me - the collector - PSA.