NFL Hof finalist announced
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Nick
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I agree with NickM.
Bob Hayes should never get in because of his dreadful performance in the "Ice Bowl".
Sure, it was cold that day on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field,
but to merely go through the motions of running your routes, with your hands in your pants, in a championship game ?
Pathetic ...
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<< <i>I predict John Elway, Barry Sanders, Art Monk, Jim Marshall, and Bob Kuechenberg are elected. I think Harry Carson and Carl Eller make the top 7, but are not elected this year.
Nick >>
the guy who ran a fumble to the endzone? the wrong one!
<< <i>If Barry Sanders becomes a HOF'er, does that prevent him from coming back as a player? >>
It did not stop Mario Lemieux in hockey...
<< <i>I'd go with Art Monk, but wouldn't mind seeing Carson in the HOF. >>
My sister and I went to High School with Art Monk
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the guy who ran a fumble to the endzone? the wrong one!
True. He also was an important part (along with Eller) of one of the games best ever defenses, The Purple People Eaters. The main reason for the Vikings going to 4 Superbowls even though they never won one.
Marshall also is the equivelant of Cal Ripken in Baseball. Played in more consecutive games than anyone ever (excluding kickers).
Marshall also recovered more fumbles than anyone ever. A true great that deserves enshrinement.
As for Eller, only Deacon Jones sacked more QBs than Eller. Sacks weren't an official stat back then so most think Reggie White and Bruce Smith are the sack kings.
Viking greats continue to wait while mediocre players like Howie Long get enshrined due to popularity.
It was a crime the all time leader in interceptions had to wait until he was an old man to get in (Paul Krause a couple years ago) because he was an unpopular Viking and not a Steeler or Raider.
I will pull for the Vikes again, but don't count on the Hall recognizing talent over popularity. Ex Viking Zimmerman was a great o lineman but will probably have to wait. He was a Viking most of his career.
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Howie Long was by no means mediocre. He was an 8-time Pro Bowler, was NFL Defensive Player of the Year, and two other times was NFL Defensive Lineman of the Year. He was named to the NFL's Team of the '80s. I would rank randy White, Bruce Smith and Reggie White as better all-around DEs than Long for the era he played in. Those are the only three I would rank ahead of him.
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Based on the recent classes, it seems that it is harder to be a first-ballot NFL HOF'er compared to Cooperstown. The recent first-ballot NFL guys are truly the best of the best. Paul Molitor and Eck are a little weak for me. I was a huge baseball fan in the 80's, and Ryne Sandberg was a dominate player at his position much longer than Mr. DH Molitor.
Marshall was a good to very good player, but not a great player. He has longevity going for him. Most fumbles recovered all time? Who cares. That is simply a function of him playing 20 years.
Check to see how many pro bowls or all-pro teams he made in his career. I think you be surprised -- he made only 2 (1968 and 1969) out of his 20 or so years.
Many other players are more worthy. Jerry Kramer, Dave Wilcox, Bob Hayes (he changed the game -- not many players can say that), Bob Brown, among others. Kramer is a huge oversight in my opinion. He made an all pro team or pro bowl team almost every year he was healthy and is the only player named to the NFL 50 year all time team that is not in.
I do agree that Carl Eller should be given stronger consideration.
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Hayes has gotten a real push in the past year since his death. He doesnt have the stats, but many sports writers/HOF committee guys recognize him as "changing the game" back in the 60's.
Monk retired as the All-Time leader in receptions. Doesnt look as impressive now compared with Rice's stats, but impressive none the less. Whats hurting Monk is having only 3 Pro Bowl selecetions in his 16 year career.
Carson was a 9 time Pro Bowler. And went to every Pro Bowl from 1981-1987. Hes been close the last 2 years, and i think he will finally get in.
Eller should be a HOFer. Marshall Im not so sure. He suffers from the LC Greenwood complex in that there were more than a couple of players on his own TEAM that were better. Yeah Marshall played every game, but he made exactly 2 Pro Bowls in all those years.
Just my opinion of course..lol
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<< <i>PURELYPSA - Wow! With such a strong football program for decades its hard to believe no 'Husker is in the HOF, its not like were talking Rutgers...jay >>
Watch it Jay....I'm a Rutgers Alumni
I think Monk and Eller should get in, with some serious consideration for Dent.
Rutgers has already beat Nebraska to Canton. In the Football History section there is a description of the first football game ever played which was a contest between Rutgers and Princeton on November 6, 1869 in New Brunswick (Rutgers won 6-4, but Princeton won the rematch later in the year and the third game of the season between the two schools just 20 miles apart was cancelled because of "over emphasis" by the University Presidents). Being from Pennsylvania you're probably quite proud of the Allegheny Athletic Club vs. the Pittsburgh Athletic Club playing the first pro game in 1892. Pittsburgh offered Chicago star Pudge Hefflefinger $250 to play for them in the contest, but Pudge took their offer to Allegheny who upped it to $500. Pudge forced a fumble and returned it for the only score for the 4-0 win for Allegheny. The PAC put up quite a stink accusing the AAC of paying players which was denied until the AAC game records were donated to Canton in the 1970s including Hefflefinger's Payroll receipt.
I'm also surprised that Rutgers' grad Deron Cherry didn't even make the initial list of 67 HOF nominees this year -- 11 years with the Chiefs, six time All-Pro selection (five times as the Pro-Bowl starter), holds the NFL record for intercepting 4 passes in a game (tied with quite a few), considered finest free safety in the AFC in the 1980s, named second-team NFL All-Decade team in the 80s, his 50 career inteceptions and 15 fumble recoveries ranks him in the Top 20 Defensive Turnovers in NFL history.
I'd also vote for Rutgers' grad Paul Robeson if ever given a chance. Just 3 years in Pro Football, but was a founding player in the NFL and one of only a handful of black players. Too much on his incredible skill and Jackie Robinson-like qualities to discuss here.
Kevin
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HOF'ers with less than 3 Pro-Bowl appearances are:
John Riggins (1976)
Ray Nitchke (1965)
Paul Hornung (1960-61)
All of these players played for Super Bowl winners.
Interestingly Terry Bradshaw, Ozzie Newsome and Charlie Joiner are the only players since 1960 that played in only 3.
In some respects, I find that this will help Marshall when the argument comes up. Because you can counter that even though he has only 2 Pro-Bowl selections, both were as starters and he played in a more competitive league (than AFC). Plus Marshall holds 2 NFL records (consecutive games @ 282 and fumbles recovered).
Carl Eller played in 6 Pro Bowls and was an All-Pro selection for 5 straight years. Here's all other Defensive lineman in the Hall of Fame, what years they played and in how many Pro-Bowls they were in:
Doug Atkins (DE) 1953-1969...8
Elvin Bethea (DE) 1968-1983...8
Buck Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975...8
Willie Davis (DE) 1958-1969...5
Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961...5
Len Ford (DE) 1948-1958...4
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981...10
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990...4
David "Deacon" Jones (DE) 1961-1974...8
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969...4
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974...11
Howie Long (DE) 1981-1993...8
Gino Marchetti (DE) 1952-1964, 1966...11
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963...10
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976...14
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981...9
Andy Robustelli (DE) 1951-1964...7
Lee Roy Selmon (DE) 1976-1984...6
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963...9
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953...4
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988...9
Bill Willis (MG) 1946-1953...3
Jack Youngblood (DE) 1971-1984...7
So think about the NFC Defensive Lineman during that mid-60s to mid to late 70s era in the Hall of Fame:
--- Merlin Olsen, DT (14)
--- Alan Page, DT (9)
--- Deacon Jones, DE (8)
--- Willie Davis, DE (5)
--- Jack Youngblood, DE (7)
--- Bob Lilly, DT (11)
--- Carl Eller, DE (6)
--- Jim Marshall, DE (2)
It is hard to argue that Carl Eller doesn't belong in this list with his defensive line stars of the time.
Jim Marshall is in the next stage right behind these guys.
L.C Greenwood should go in ahead of Eller and Marshall, as he won FOUR Super Bowls and was a 6-time Pro Bowler in a seven year period. For some reason, Greenwood isn't even a finalist this year.
Eller has a better chance of getting in than Marshall. It doesn't help that the Minneapolis Hall of Fame vote is used by Minneapolis Star-Tribune writer Sid Hartman. Sid isn't a big proponent of ex-Vikings that lost the Super Bowls and doesn't have a great relationship with those players. That doesn't help when those selectors get in a room to decide.
Erik