PSA9 1974 OPC Bobby Orr - cut from a sheet?

iBuyUsell

I found this nice PSA9 1974 OPC Bobby Orr #100 on eBay. First think I noticed was the large borders & the bottom corner(s). This card looks like a BGS/BVG graded card...wink! wink!
What do the Hockey collectors think?

packCollector

1st let me say i only collect orr and not hockey so I have limited experience. I saw that card last night last night also. My take is that you have to put some faith in the graders. OPC cards with clean cuts are tough to come by but they do exist. I spoke with Gerry's in canada who is one of hte larger hockey dealers and he estimates about 5-10% of 74 opc have clean cuts so they do exist. I have 4 74 opc cards right now with clean cuts . 2 are raw and I looked at them under magnification and only under magnification can you see the grain of a rough cut that looks factory on 1, the other you can see when looking closely. I have not sent them in yet so I am not 100% positive but it looks legit. I have 2 others in holders (a bgs 9 and a ksa 10) and i am skeptical. I can't see how a grader could give it a good assesment in a holder for crossover and I am debating cracking them so that I can get a better look or I just may sell them if the other raws that I sent in grade out.

the point I am trying to make is we can speculate all we want but in order to tell for sure the edges need to be looked at under magnification.

so in this case I don't know. there are 17 other psa 9 74 opc's and a psa 10 , does anybody have those that we can compare the borders to?

iBuyUsell

Here's a pair of 74OPC Bobby Orrs from my OPC collection.
WOW...the Orrs are really bad!!

Howitallbegan

This is the second time this 1/1 card has been offered on ebay . The first time was by Seth(hockeyauctions). I actually thought it sold back in September but it was not to Mark(mostlyhockey)who is the seller this time. Maybe it sold the first time maybe it didnt . Mark lives 10 minutes from Seth's house.

Seth and Jason Martin(who lives about 15 minutes away from Seth and Mark) are both very well known sheet cutters . Both have cut alot of 74-75 O-pee-chee hockey. Seth is the original owner of the card

It is true that not all O-pee-chee from that era that have smooth borders are sheet cut however that particular issue it is very easy to spot sheet cut cards. And there are alot of them out there from both Seth and Jason Martin

Here are 3 more sheet cuts recently offered on ebay

2777159621 Jan-01-04 Jan-08-04 18:30:00 PST $33.00 1978 OPC Ken Dryden AS PSA 9 Mint 1/1
2777159738 Jan-01-04 Jan-08-04 18:30:00 PST $20.50 1978 OPC Bossy/Esposito LL PSA 9 Mint 1/1
2778692918 Jan-08-04 Jan-15-04 18:15:00 PST $15.59 1978 OPC Stan Mikita PSA 10 Gem Mint 1/1

While PSA has hammered most of the sheet cuts since October some have gotten through. The 3 above could of very well been graded prior to October

Basilone

Howitallbegan-

Sounds like you know alot about the hockey graded market and various dealers.

Please shoot me an email if you can so I can discuss some things with you offline.

John

Howitallbegan

John

Will do later on today


Greg

goodriddance189

<< <i>Here are 3 more sheet cuts recently offered on ebay

2777159621 Jan-01-04 Jan-08-04 18:30:00 PST $33.00 1978 OPC Ken Dryden AS PSA 9 Mint 1/1
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i was the high bidder on this card for a short time, but shied away when i noticed the diamond cut. i have many OPC psa 9 hockey cards from the late 1970's, and the rough-cut/clean-cut ratio is about 80-20. some years are better for clean cuts, such as 1976 and '77 (the 74's and 78's are damn near impossible). i wouldnt call these cards sheet-cut, without at least some proof. but i agree, they do look quite suspect....especially that Orr

packCollector

here is an example from one of the parties referred to above with clean cuts but o/c in a psa holder. don't know what this means but just adding to the thread

orr from hockeyauctions