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I have NEVER seen this many PSA10's in one place?!

Ok, I know that SOME of these are 80's
stuff that is not really all that scarce
and likely still found sealed in wax packs
or sets, but Some of these are vintage
and there is just a TON OF GEM MINT Stuff!

as of right now 235 different PSA 10 Items for sale!

and

288 PSA 10 items recently sold by this same guy!

WHO IS THIS GUY
and where is he getting all this Gem Mint stuff??

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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    His name is Joe Tuttle. Some of these may be consignments from people who are breaking up sets...but then again maybe not.

    Great oppurtunity for team set collectors for sure.

  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    psa 10's out of the grading room are the "soup du jour" right now.

  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    I have bought from him before, and he is a good seller. But, it makes you wonder. How many 1984 Donruss cards would I have to submit to get that many 10's back? I don't think there are that many in the world! Same old story, you wonder how the big dealers do it (i.e. where do they get their cards, and how are their ratios of 10's compared to a regular submitter like myself?).
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  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    This seller was mentioned in the thread about dealers who submit the most cards to PSA. I have bought from him before (although mostly PSA 8 cards) and was always happy with the service and condition of the cards.
  • Joe's stuff has always been up to grade when I have bought from him. The 10's are very strong, and the nines are always solid 9s
  • *Looks at watch* Wow, a troll has not personally attacked the seller for his awesome eye and tremendous pre-screening techniques. I thought by now we would have had "Yeah, he has that many tens because he submits cards by the BILLIONS!!!111" or "Yeah, you just have to re submit cards 3 or 4 times before you get the right grade."

    Thank goodness, perhaps they have learned,

    -Ian
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    We have already talked about this seller in light of who submits the most to PSA. Because of that thread, I am now a loyal customer. He has good stuff and is a dealer with integrity. I took virtualizard's advice that I should not pay for insurance for stuff under $50. And since this seller is not the type to send an empty box and packages items securely anyway, I paid $3.50 shipping for 3 PSA cards and all arrived perfect. They were 1984 Donruss cards.

    Its not that hard to get that many tens since factory sets have great condition cards in them plus, if one finds a box where one card has perfect centering, the others in the box are perfectly centered as well. I rarely see mint stuff come from wax--either chipping or centering problems. The way Donruss cards are cut for the factory set is flawless, unlike the wax.

    This guy obviously has access to a lot of factory sets and simply selects the best one and submits it.

    The more I hear about 80's stuff not being scarce, the more people stop taking care of those cards, the rarer they are becoming. Every year, thousands of 80's cards become victims of mold because they are stored in 5000ct boxes up in the attic of an east coast home, forgotten by the owner since they are worthless. Well, one day they won't be so plentiful. Except for unopened factory sets, I mostly see abuse of raw 80's cards. No one really takes care of them. At best, they might be stored in a dry garage of a California home (where humidity is very low) away from kids and dogs.
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  • i agree deutsch- and you can already see scarcity/increase in demand for certain 80s sets that you could've picked up cheaply (relatively) a few years ago- ex. 85 topps wax boxes, 86 topps traded (though it's still relatively cheap), 87 donruss, 87 fleer update, 87 topps tiffany/topps tiffany traded, etc. as certain of those stars reach/continue surpassing certain marks, those sets will only get more scarce/in demand. while there may be an abundance in terms of actual #s produced, i don't think there's an abundance of "mint" sets that were produced.
  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    JT submits a ton to PSA, and perhaps when he's built up a lot of 10's, he auctions them in bunches.
    About 2 years ago, I took all the PSA-10 Football I had out of inventory (all modern cards) to auction
    to start off the upcoming NFL season, I had about 2 dozen 10's for auction and nothing else. I rec'd
    a few eMails asking how I got all those 10's - Naturally I told them to look at the cert #'s since
    they represented many different #'s and told them I wanted to run all I had in 1 shot. And about
    half I bough already graded, while the others I submitted w/ many many more cards. Some wanted
    me to submit their cards w/ mine figuring I had carte blanche w/ PSA as far as 10's go...jay
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    I've never seen 811 and 812 cert prefixes before.
    edited to add: the 305's and 402's are fairly recent too...... I believe
  • PlayBallPlayBall Posts: 463 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How many 1984 Donruss cards would I have to submit to get that many 10's back? >>


    About 250-300 that could be considered "possible 10".



    << <i>Same old story, you wonder how the big dealers do it (i.e. where do they get their cards, and how are their ratios of 10's compared to a regular submitter like myself?). >>


    Joe has two dedicated people who do nothing but go through cases of cards. I would imagine they can get through alot of material in a short amount of time. The ratio of his tens are not any better than someone like myself (500-1000 cards a year). It's simply the fact the big dealers send in more cards. 230 PSA 10's on a 1000 card submission is no different than 23 on a 100 card submission.




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  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    I just completed my first transaction with Joe Tuttle and was quite pleased with the quality of the card I received. Fast delivery, sharp card, happy buyer.
  • I just got my 1984 Donruss Runnin' Reds PSA 10 from Joe yesterday.
    Great seller and always a fast shipment. Nothing wrong with the cards either.
    He does get a lot of 9's also. I've bought a lot of Ozzie cards from him. I'll buy his 9 from him and then next week he'll have a 10 up.


    BEN


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  • AlanAllenAlanAllen Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭
    Half of my 1989 Score PSA 10 set is from Joe Tuttle. He must have just an incredible raw inventory, because everything I've bought from him has been stellar. I know he gets his fair share of 9's too, because he has a complete PSA 9 set up right now. Great prices and service too.

    Joe
    No such details will spoil my plans...
  • I have bought some cards from Joe Tuttle . I have always had a very good experience in my dealings with him. If he has 10's you need, in your price range my advice would be to belly up to the bar and bid!imageimageimageimageimageimage
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  • several months ago(have not checked recently) he was buying all the 1984 donruss factory sets that went for under 125 in ebay with his other ebay account xpsagrader.
    Looking for in PSA graded
    1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
    2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
    3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10

    Basketball Autos
    1992 Courtside Flashback
    Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
    2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
    UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
    2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
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  • Joe is as good as they come he will pay up for material and he submits alot of cards. I have never had even a slight problem with Joe, you will find him to be one of the nicest and most knowledgable dealers in mostly newer product. Also as someone who used to work for a dealer that was submitting thousands of cards each month I can emphatically tell you that PSA does not play favorites at least on vintage material. When our shipments would come back we were like everyone else sometimes we were screaming about the grades other times we were overjoyed. obviously though the more cards you send in the more weak and strong for the grade cards you will have not in percentages but in sheer numbers. Again if Joe has something you need i strongly recommend him as a quality A+ dealer.


  • << <i>Joe is as good as they come he will pay up for material and he submits alot of cards. I have never had even a slight problem with Joe, you will find him to be one of the nicest and most knowledgable dealers in mostly newer product. Also as someone who used to work for a dealer that was submitting thousands of cards each month I can emphatically tell you that PSA does not play favorites at least on vintage material. When our shipments would come back we were like everyone else sometimes we were screaming about the grades other times we were overjoyed. obviously though the more cards you send in the more weak and strong for the grade cards you will have not in percentages but in sheer numbers. Again if Joe has something you need i strongly recommend him as a quality A+ dealer. >>

    remarkable to me how Different THAT description is
    from MOST of the card dealers out there.
    I am glad I stumbled on to him! image
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  • Joe's a great dealer and great guy to talk with. Believe me he gets his share of 7's and 8's, but that's more than offset by the solid 10's he gets. He has a good eye and depending on the product and year only submits the strongest cards. If you collect modern you have to deal with Joe eventually.
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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    If you pay for insurance for cards that total over $50.00...do not expect it insured thru the USPS.

    Some people get upset when they pay extra for postal insurance and the package is sitting in the mailbox with no sig required upon receipt.

    Just an FYI for you first-time buyers out there.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Basilone is right about that...I just received another order from him today. 3 cards, over $100 total paid, insurance paid for but not marked anywhere on the envelope. Only the .83 the PO charged him. I still think he is a good dealer, but this should be noted.
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  • Some people have outside insurance on their shipping of cards such service i know is offered by the philatelic society maybe joe is one of these people that has some sort of outside coverage as i know joe and he is not worried about the extra couple of dollars he would get by charging insurance then not using itimage
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    Glynparson-

    Then shouldnt he be proactive and inform his customers in his eBay listing? That way the buyer is not surprised and knows the terms upfront...makes sense to me. Since he charges basically the same insurance rates as the Post Office....most of his customers are going to assume that he will be using USPS for insurance.

    Many buyers like myself like the idea of actually having to sign for the package. He could cover his bases by just including a delivery confirmation..then the buyer is screwed if the neighbor kid down the street takes off the front porch or out of the mailbox. The seller can say...that it was delivered (because of the delivery confirmation...then it becomes a real messy situation.

    John
  • John

    I think you have what you do on ebay in your spare time is being confused with what most dealers/companies do in real life.

    I am sure that when you sell an item on ebay, you package the item yourself and bring it to the post office, fill out all the forms and stand in line to mail the packages. I do the same thing!

    My gut feeling tells me that most companies do not go through the same process. I would guess that most companies never see the inside of the post office or UPS. A very good possibility that they have an outside source that handles their shipping. Most likely they have business insurance that cover all business related activities (such as insurance on items shipped). I know some of the national PSA dealers that I do business with do not insure items (Kurts Kards and VSI come to mind). I have never had a problem. I don't think either Marc or Kurt are using their S&H charges as a profit center.

    Most of the non hobby companies that I do business with are the same. I pay close to 10.00 in S&H charges when I buy DVD's from Columbia House. They ship in a small box- no insurance/no sig. I get packages from LL Bean (left at the door), plain box. Never had a problem (I had a Columbia House package lost about 2 years ago- they replaced the items).
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    Does LL Bean state in their catalog or Columbia House in their mailers have the following disclaimer:

    "We are not responsible for items lost or damaged if insurance is not purchased."

    I didnt think so.

    It kind of puts the bidder in a Catch-22 dont you think? Why not explain the policy when the insurance is purchased so that buyers are not surprised?
  • But PSA makes you buy insurance when you have your cards graded. It appears to me that shipping is a profit center for them....

    The point I'm trying to make - most retailers with their own website (or other outlet) usually stands behind their product/service - satisfaction guaranteed. If they don't, a disclaimer is posted somewhere (usually on the back of your sales receipt!)

    Ebay is based upon caveat emptor. Ebay says so in their "learning to buy/sell" section. The buyer is usually willing to take certain risks (i.e. - no insurance) to get a good deal. If you're not comfortable taking that risk, find out the terms of the auction by asking before bidding.

    At one point, I charged $5 for priority boxed insured shipment on graded cards. (Of course shipping discounts on multiple items). $3.85 priority plus $1.30 insurance = $5.15! So many people complained that shipping was too high, I reverted to $3 1st class delivery confirmation bubble envelope (with insurance optional). You just can't please everyone, no matter what you try.
    Yes, my ebay id is cardboardjungle.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    I personally do not think it helps anyone if it is now suggested that every bidder asks all of the sellers if the insurance is through the USPS or not. Its hard enough for some sellers to answer legitimate emails about the cards themselves.

    It is pretty much understood the USPS insurance (if sending via the post office) is the assumed standard...especially with PSA cards.
  • 4-sharp-corners uses www.collectinsure.com to insure their shipments.

    I have bought over $1000 worth of PSA from jtcards in the last 60 days, all with insurance. Some of my shipments had postal insurance, some didn't. They did short me a card twice in the last year. The first time, seven months ago, I didn't buy insurance, and they wouldn't even respond to my emails. The second time, recently, I did purchase insurance, and the card was found & sent to me right away with an apology. Lesson learned on both ends.

    As for the type of insurance - 4-sharp pays a monthly premum to the insurance co., and they put a flyer in each shipment claiming the shipment was insured by collectinsure. 4-sharp charges $4 insured for a graded card shipment. It wouldn't take too many shipments each month (a couple hundred) for that to be a profit center for them too. They certainly don't pay a $1 premium to the insurance co. for each card they ship.

    If you need satisfaction guaranteed for your graded card purchase, I recommend naxcom - you will pay more than on ebay, but you will have the option to return it, and shipping & insurance are standard for all graded cards.
    Yes, my ebay id is cardboardjungle.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭



    << <i>As for the type of insurance - 4-sharp pays a monthly premum to the insurance co., and they put a flyer in each shipment claiming the shipment was insured by collectinsure. >>



    That is a very good idea...it saves the first time bidder from sending a hasty email wondering where the insurance is on the product.
  • one should Never assume anything. Plus if he makes good if an item is lost why does it matter where the insurance comes from? in fact it is probably better if it is not postal insurance have you ever had to jump through their hoops to try and get money back, it can be a terrible pain in the rear end.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭


    << <i>Plus if he makes good if an item is lost why does it matter where the insurance comes from? >>



    principle.
  • I honestly dont understand what principle you are standing on does he need to tell you how much he paid for the card as well if he is offering the service you paid for then he is offering the service i read his auctions he does not state the insurance would be postal insurance.image
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Maybe not. But, if he is using some sort of "self-insurance", then he shouldn't be charging me for it. It should simply be a part of his costs of doing business, just like the overhead I pay at my business.
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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    Another poster summed it up quite nicely on another thread.



    << <i>The post office will good on any legitimate claim, but you don't know what seller you are dealing with. I understand the whole thing about the seller self insuring, but his word of honor is only worth as much as a piece of paper, nothing more. He can pay, or he can ignore you---its all in his hands. At least with postial insurance, you have recourse without depending on the seller. >>



    Thats pretty much my point regarding self-insurance.

    Sorry for the high jack on this thread. Back to the seller....he DOES offer very nice cards and DOES package them well.
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Basilone,

    Thanks for quoting me! Very well used, I might add.
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  • The post office will good on any legitimate claim, but you don't know what seller you are dealing with. I understand the whole thing about the seller self insuring, but his word of honor is only worth as much as a piece of paper, nothing more. He can pay, or he can ignore you---its all in his hands. At least with postial insurance, you have recourse without depending on the seller. >>
    Self insurance and outside insurance are two completely different animals you are comparing apples to oranges. Plus they may make good on a claim but it is not as easy to get your money from them as that post states.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    Having just received 50 cards from jtcards, I will confirm what others say. I paid $16 for shipping and another $1.30 for minimal insurance. The cards arrived securely packaged in a box with packing peanuts. The postage fee on the box was $14.50, and he placed delivery confirmation on it, but there was no indicator of postal insurance. Will I buy from Joe again? Absolutely. No one else offers that breadth of quality vintage graded material with low opening bids - especially if you're a '70s basketball collector. Will I insure the package again? Maybe. It probably ensures that he puts delivery confirmation on the package, which greatly reduces my risk tht it will get lost.

    Nick
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