How would you respond to this.

ChicagoGlen · January 8, 2004 4:46AM

I was emailing a seller on ebay who was selling a modern set of 100 cards. It did not sell, "Probably because he wanted $23.00 for shipping the 100 cards using paypal and $15.00 for shipping for using a money order" So anyway, he is a Chicago seller. I email him stating I am interested but could I possible pick up the cards and save the $23.00 shipping fee. He said I could pick them up only if it was a cash deal and I paid him an extra five dollars. We went back and forth on this for a while and I said thanks but no thanks. He then sends me a email telling me that he thought I was interested and how I should not waste his time. I then shoot him back an email stating I was interested until he continually tried to gouge me for shipping even when I was going to pick the cards up.

I'm just courious how you guys would have responded to a seller like this. I wanted to be a total a$$ to this guy afer the "quit wasting my time" email but I restrained myself.

Just venting,

Glen

mrc32 · January 8, 2004 4:51AM

What a jerk. I would have told him to stuff it.

Stump · January 8, 2004 5:04AM

Glen

Your alot nicer than I would of been.

Dave

yawie99 · January 8, 2004 5:07AM

I'da let him have it.

ChicagoGlen · January 8, 2004 5:10AM

It was hard but I just stated hey I was ready to buy but I will not pay $23.00 to ship 100 cards. What does that cost $2.00? And then to give him extra cash just to pick it up? I just reviewed his auctions and most 100 card sets are $15 shipping with add $10 dollars more if using Paypal? I think that is BS. One I saw is $18, and $28!!

Oh well,

Deeeeeeeeep Breeeeeeaaaths,

Glen

FB · January 8, 2004 5:31AM

ChicagoGlen,

I agree with Stump - you were much nicer than I would have been.

I ran into the same situation about a year ago when I won a 64 Topps Giants set on eBay for $200. The shipping wasn't listed and I JUST ASSUMED that it would be between $6.50 and $10 plus insurance like everybody else. Well... When I got the invoice - the shipping was $25. I emailed the guy and asked him why his price was 2 to 4 times higher than anybody else. He lowered his shipping to $20 and I paid it begrudgingly. The package arrived - $8.00 WITH insurance and the binder was loose inside the Priority Mail box so several of the cards fell out. That was one of the handful of negatives I have ever left.

A month ago, I got an email from the same guy when a bunch of MY auctions closed and wanted to know WHO I WAS and WHAT NERVE I HAD putting him on my Banned Bidders list. His note DARED me to reply if I had the stones...

It was a PLEASURE sending that email back to him, reminding him of who I was and telling him that had I known he wanted to bid - I would have been happy to allow him to - but that shipping was $8.00 per graded card and sorry - I can't combine auctions!

ejguru · January 8, 2004 5:35AM

Agreed. Mom and Dad taught me manners, but also told me to treat others as they've treated me. You were far too kind. Not to hijack the thread, but thanks Frankie B. Cards arrived this am.

EJ

doncherry · January 8, 2004 5:37AM

Under ebay rules you cannot charge an extra fee for using paypal. Post his ebay id and i will report it

KING KELLOGG · January 8, 2004 6:07AM

Everything the seller did was wrong...

Report he to eBay...Don't delay!!

Report he to Paypal also!!

Larry

Butcher · January 8, 2004 6:16AM

I've got a better one than that. I purchased 4 PSA graded cards from a fellow set registry member whom I've even talked to on the phone before and in his auction it said $5 shipping. I just assumed he would combine shipping and then would charge me whatever insurance was. WRONG!!! He wanted $5 shipping per card and then wanted $5 more for insurance per card. The total for the 4 cards was something like $32x.xx and he wanted $40 total to ship them insured! I went round and round with him for days and he wouldn't budge so I just said ship all four together, insure the highest valued one for $200 and then I sent him $25 for shipping and insurance. I can't believe I didn't neg him but I know he would have neg'd be back.

CreeperKat · January 8, 2004 6:18AM

I sold some 100 card modern lots on eBay during the Free Listing day. I charged $2.50 shipping via First Class but learned the boxes where to heavy for first class and they had to be shipped Priority Mail for $5.25 or Standard Mail for $5.15. I had to eat some cost on those.

I've had people come pick up items I've sold. My only requirement is cash or PayPal payment. No charge for shipping obviously. You responded appropiately Glen.

acowa · January 8, 2004 6:33AM

The only person I charge that much for shipping to is Eric "Big Money" Sanders (EJGURU)...maybe a little more if he wants me to protect the card with a couple of slabs of cardboard...plus 20% surcharge for using paypal. He usually throws in a few extra bucks for gratuity because I go the extra mile and write DO NOT BEND on the bubble mailer.

Regards,

Alan

Dhjacks · January 8, 2004 6:38AM

You haven't achieved anything if you are only nice to 'nice people'. You are truly tested with 'logic impaired' people such as your new friend.

liffeystynx · January 8, 2004 6:50AM

Wonder if this is the same guy that Frank dealt with -

I recently won a PSA/DNA autographed Alex Rodriguez SP RC. S&H within the USA was $7.50 (I should have smelt a rat). I e-mailed the seller, outlining the various shipping options to Ireland, suggesting Global Priority ($5). He e-mailed back that S&H would be $22 - I expressed my amazement - "Sorry that was a mistake. I was looking at something else. Shipping to Ireland for a card will be $18" - I pointed out that the most anyone had ever spent sending a graded card to me was $13.90 (registered mail). I asked was he planning to hand-deliver it? - "The lowest we will be able to go is $13 dollars. Due to the cost of shipping supplies, and the rasing cost of handling and insurance."

I didn't want to lose the card (I need it for two Registry Sets) so I sent the money. I am now eagerly awaiting the card's arrival to see how much he actually spent. Needless to say I'm also sharpening a neg for him though I am concerned about retaliation ...

ChicagoGlen · January 8, 2004 6:51AM

Here is her latest email. I have not sent this reponse yet but what do you think?

My response not sent yet.
Sue,

I was upset with your response. You said add $5.00 for the pickup, (not free). I do sell on ebay and I am well aware of the fee's and policies. Like the ebay policy that states its not ok to charge more for using Paypal. I have always been respectful in our emails, whats this about wasting your time. NICE salesman-ship! Where do you get off?

Have a nice life.

Glen

Her Email:
>hey glen what do you think i ship for free(would have hand delivered for free of cash transaction was involved not paying with a credit card)they take $12.50 right off the top,then it costs $14.85 to ship insurded with signature the set comes in a binder were do you see i am making anything i have about $250.00 not including all the shipping and handling purchasing these chromes so why dont you do a little thinging,maybe you should try selling on ebay and you'll get the idea of fees its free to bid not free to sell,i was not trying to be smart i am just a dealer on a fixed income trying to make a little extra thanks sue

I'm Still trying to be nice,

Glen

What do you think.

KING KELLOGG · January 8, 2004 7:06AM

Glen...

SUE...???...

I had a similar experience with a Sue!!! Sounds like the same person...

Please email me to discuss... emards4457@msn.com .

Larry

ChicagoGlen · January 8, 2004 7:24AM

Email sent.

Tipem · January 8, 2004 7:26AM

Glen,

While I agree with most that you were much nicer than you probably should have been,I think that you are doing the right thing.I know it sounds corny but I try to live by the addage"What comes around,goes around"and I am sure that this seller will eventually get theirs.Call it karma or whatever,but it does seem to work out that way.I would continue to be nice as well as getting this sellers e-bay out so that board members can put her on their blocked bidders list.I would also report her to e-bay or let someone on the board do it as they have offered to do.I might even send her a link to this thread.That might make for an interesting read for her.

Vic

Vargha · January 8, 2004 7:52AM

I've got a better one than that. I purchased 4 PSA graded cards from a fellow set registry member whom I've even talked to on the phone before and in his auction it said $5 shipping. I just assumed he would combine shipping and then would charge me whatever insurance was. WRONG!!! He wanted $5 shipping per card and then wanted $5 more for insurance per card. The total for the 4 cards was something like $32x.xx and he wanted $40 total to ship them insured!

Who?

KING KELLOGG · January 8, 2004 8:58AM

Hi all..

This is just not right... The more I think about it..The more angry I become...

Registry board members...Put these phone numbers to good use on this one...I DID !!!

eBay Inc. 1 (408) 558-7400

Paypal Inc. 1 (877) 672-9725

Open the Registry flood gate...

Larry

ejguru · January 8, 2004 12:12PM

Hey, someone's gotta pay for Alan's boys' ice time. Keeping it frozen in GA costs mucho dinero--At least that's what he tells me...

Ripken · January 8, 2004 1:38PM

I love this thread. It reveals a lot about people & how they deal with others. I simply won't bid with someone who states up front that they won't make at least some kind of effort to combine shipping. If I win multiple items from someone who doesn't state shipping costs & then insists on charging full shipping for each card, I tell them I'd like the items shipped individually. It always baffles them & they usually don't want the hassle so they cave in and do the right thing. My s/h policy is full amount on 1 item, then 1/2 for each additional. Rarely do I get a complaint on that...and what little extra I might clear helps defray costs of accepting Paypal, auction fees, etc. I still lose a little on large $ purchases but it's worth it to offer the buyer good service & convenience.

Gottabuyit · January 8, 2004 4:22PM

It's good to restrain. Just because you may be standing in the jungle around a bunch of animals is no excuse to act like one.

Gottabuyit · January 8, 2004 4:33PM

That's a good one FB. I had an obnoxious email from good riddance back in May. This genius has never done business with me (and never will) yet he would tell people that I was a thief and that I sell worthless overpriced junk that no one wants. (my ebay sales the past week were $1261.00, not bad for worthless junk). Anyway, his email states that he is on to me? On to what? I didn't respond because I don't talk to animals. I am not Dr Doolittle. To make a long story longer, I decided to put him on bidder block. This genius then decides to bid on one of my auctions in September. He then emails me asking "why am I on your blocked bidder list? Have I ever done business with you? Didn't think so" If that isn't bipolar disorder I don't know what is. Now we have this fool telling everyone that I am a thief, yet he says in this email that he has never done business with me. I have the two emails if anyone wants to see them. Funny how he is telling everyone that I am a thief, yet he wants to buy a card from me. Makes me wonder sometimes of the integrity of some of the people that post on the PSA boards. The epilogue here. Don't believe everything you hear on the message boards. People sometimes try to taint someone's reputation so that they can cost the guy bidders and buy his stuff cheaper.

For ebay bidders. For the month of January, mention this post and win an auction with me and you will get free shipping for any amount of items you win.

Gottabuyit · January 8, 2004 4:35PM

<< <i>I've got a better one than that. I purchased 4 PSA graded cards from a fellow set registry member whom I've even talked to on the phone before and in his auction it said $5 shipping. I just assumed he would combine shipping and then would charge me whatever insurance was. WRONG!!! He wanted $5 shipping per card and then wanted $5 more for insurance per card. The total for the 4 cards was something like $32x.xx and he wanted $40 total to ship them insured! I went round and round with him for days and he wouldn't budge so I just said ship all four together, insure the highest valued one for $200 and then I sent him $25 for shipping and insurance. I can't believe I didn't neg him but I know he would have neg'd be back. >>

Who was this Butcher?

murcerfan · January 8, 2004 4:45PM

ChicagoGlen · January 8, 2004 5:11PM

OK, I can not stand this seller.

Please view:

TOPPS HERITAGE 03 RETROFRACTOR SET 1-100 #554 Item number: 2778721285

I know it's a modern seller but look at the shipping price in their discription. $10.00 dollars more for paypal. This is the seller that said I was wasting their time for trying to save shipping costs.

I did not want to be an A$$ but the seller is chicagosportscollector, I tried to be peacefull but it did not work.

Thanks,

Glen

FB · January 8, 2004 9:22PM

EJ,

Thanks for the heads up on the cards - your check arrived too (now if it will only CASH!!!!

)

Alan,

Thats a pretty good idea on just raising shipping costs to EJ. Now that I've heard it - I can do it to and just say "uh, sorry... but Acowa told me to do this...". Extra cash and I don't have to take the blame!

Or, if I wanted to be REALLY sneaky... I could just state that shipping prices triple when shipping to a PO BOX.

Of course, this would have all worked better had I not talked about it online in front of everyone...

Dhjacks · January 8, 2004 10:45PM

I reported him to ebay for a listing policy violation.

Wabittwax · January 8, 2004 11:32PM

I had one person try to rip me off for $75 on Ebay. I sent the money, he never sent the cards. After about 2 months and several emails later, I emailed the seller and reminded him that I had his home address and I threatened bodily injury if he ripped me off. I figured I would not let somebody steal $75 from me on the street without a fight so why should I let some moron sitting behind a computer. I never got a response but the cards showed up a few days later. I wouldn't recommend this tactic but I have anger management issues and that's how I respond to theives.

acowa · January 8, 2004 11:50PM

So are you saying the best way to handle it is to give the seller a wedgie until he "straightens up"?

Regards,

Alan

onegaucho · January 9, 2004 12:59AM

Just read through this thread. I would've reacted the same way as what's transpired.

Did someone already mention the seller id? It'd be nice to know so I'd know to stay away or even block it from my list of potential bidders (not that this person would buy anything I have).

Fabfrank · January 9, 2004 1:05AM

I learned early. "Never argue with an idiot. It makes you look like an idiot" and " Never Assume".

This rule goes for emails too. Trading emails with an unreasonable seller (or bidder) becomes a waste of time and money. Move on and block them.
As for those sellers who don't post shipping, I either email the seller for an approximate cost before bidding or I always assume the worst. There are enough good sellers on Ebay (and these boards) that you don't need to get hassled with the jerks.

Butcher · January 9, 2004 2:50AM

Well, I don't want to give out his full name but he is 2 spots below me on the set registry under 1935 Chicle FB.

onegaucho · January 9, 2004 3:10AM

Yikes! I was thinking of starting a set of the 1935s... I checked the name, but no email address. Can you at least provide the ebay ID? I want to be careful in bidding on any of that sellers cards.

Butcher · January 9, 2004 4:37AM

nationalchicleking

He doesn't sell a lot but occasionally he does sell Chicles. Hi grade Chicles are so hard to come by that if he did offer a card I needed it would be a tough decision not to bid but I probably wouldn't.

ChicagoGlen · January 12, 2004 8:30PM

Well, I received an email again from the seller thanking me for having her auctions canceled. So thanks to the members that reported the issue to the appropriate authorities. I love the fact that she is so pissed that her auctions were pulled.

Thanks,

Glen

Vargha · January 12, 2004 9:51PM

I wouldn't recommend this tactic but I have anger management issues and that's how I respond to theives.

Glynparson · January 12, 2004 10:14PM

I give people like that negatives yeah i get some back but people generally realize that there are a bunch of jerks out there and if you stand up to them you will have a few "battle scars". Sometimes people will email about my negatives and if i explain it to them they usually understand. What really fires me up though is when they will then lie in their negative and say something like product never sent or money never sent and it was either sent or i never got their money and since i left them a legitimate negaitve they will leave a more vicious one with lies. You then contact ebay show them your reciepts with insurance and tracking and they tell you theyll only help if you pay their extortion service otherwise known as safeharbor to remove the negative that then gets me fired up about ebay. Thats why i still like SCD ads and shows the best.

qualitycards · January 13, 2004 2:14AM

<< <i>Thats why i still like SCD ads and shows the best. >>

GLYN - Because of an occasional retalitory Negative fb, thats why you like shows & ads more?
I guess I'm the opposite as eBay brings the collecting world to my computer, I have no neg's in thousands of transactions in the 5 years that I've been on it, and if I were to get 1 here and 1 there, I still wouldn't change the course...jay

Glynparson · January 13, 2004 9:13AM

Jay you know i get alot less gruff face to face then over the computer plus i know you arent really a big show guy havent been since ive known you. but you are allowed to have a different opinion then mine you know i never really have had problems at shows with people not paying ect like i sometimes do on ebay. Hope all is great with you. you definetly seem to be doing very well for yourself on the computer keep up the great work hopefully ill run into you again sometime its been a few years now. how are the cards in littlestown. Tell Jimmy i said hi.

qualitycards · January 13, 2004 10:03AM

GLYN - Tis true! I am not a frequent show dealer, just set up twice at Ft Wash during the last 2 years.
It seems easier to scan and post a card on eBay then pricing a few thousand cards and hope that they sell.
I do enjoy going to shows as a buyer though. Do you still set up at Lynn's shows in the Lehigh Valley?
Are you gonna set up at the Nat'l this summer? ..jay

Glynparson · January 13, 2004 9:15PM

Ill only do maybe one or two of Lynns shows each year. The worse malls actually seem to do a little better pretty strange huh? I will probably be at the national dont know if ill set up with someone or not there are always a few people that need help and will give up a little space for a knowledgable helper. Keep in touch and good luck i do a little bit on ebay every week i just find the results can be so wide spread it can be frustrating at times but i am still glad that it exists. i probably need to set up a web page hows that work for you.

marz · January 18, 2004 4:06AM

trying to circumvent e-bay fees through handling and postage charges is illegal and against the rules of e-bay contractually.

How would you respond to this.

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