Update on the PSA 8 Bobby Hull RC in Vegas : ALTERED!

KallMaloneSay

Many of you probably remember the fiasco about a month ago where a PSA 8 NQ Bobby Hull RC found its way into my store, and then how I blew the opportunity to get it, yada, yada, yada. Well the card was returned and refunded as being altered in some way, although I don't have all the details. As mentioned, the PSA 9 OPC Gretzky RC that the guy brought in had a crease in it and also appeared to be trimmed or sanded down at the edges, so I had to wonder about the Hull. Like i said, I'm not sure about all of the details, but the card was definately returned as Sports N' More does have it back in their possession. The card certainly looked clean enough to be a PSA 8, and the PSA serial number matched up, but the left edge of the holder appeared to have that white edge you see when a holder is cracked open, although I didn't see any abbrasions in the holder.

When I called PSA the day that it came in I asked if it was possibly a WIWAG, but I was assured that it wasn't because everyone who purchased WIWAG cards was contacted by PSA immediately after they were caught. I'll try to figure out the rest of the details if I can in the next week or so, and I'm not sure about the fate of the Gretzky, although I heard that Sports and More tried to return it to PSA but were refused and then it popped up on ebay for a few hours. There hasn't been this much excitement in Vegas since... Alright, well there's always this much excitement in Vegas, but regardless, I thought yall'd be interested in what's going on. And to think I lost sleep over that card.

Jason

schr1st

So did Duds N More sell him the 2 cards, then took them back when he complained, or did he sell them to him and they are now stuck with them?

doncherry

Karlmalonesay

The Hull PSA 8 auction was pulled on ebay before it ended. Do you know if the card was sold privately and returned or if the card never really sold at all

ranch

Too bad.

KallMaloneSay

The Hull was sold offline for $5500 I was told. I'm not sure if PSA stepped in and is offering any restitution or if Sports N' More is stuck with it. I don't really know Dave Byers personally, but we share mutual dealer friends who I'm getting the information from. As for the Gretzky I saw some rumors floating around on these message boards as to its fate that it was even pulled from the population reports, although i can't say anything fro sure on that one.

CW

Jason said:

> Well the card was returned and refunded as being altered in
> some way, although I don't have all the details.

I must have missed the earlier thread because I'm confused. Who
originally sold the card and who returned it? Is this Sports n'
More place a reputable dealer, or could they be the ones trying
to "insert" bad cards into PSA holders? Please explain or link to
the old thread, thanks.

This part really shocks me:

> When I called PSA the day that it came in I asked if it was possibly
> a WIWAG, but I was assured that it wasn't because everyone who
> purchased WIWAG cards was contacted by PSA immediately after they
> were caught.

I wonder who told you this misinformation. Nothing could be further
from the truth! It was left up to US, the collectors, to call a certain
number and leave a message. It was up to us to figure out if any of
the cards we had were originally from WIWAG. I purchased many WIWAG
cards, but nobody from PSA contacted me. In fact, when I called the
number that PSA provided, I left two messages and nobody called me back.

Since I can't recall exactly which cards I purchased from WIWAG, and PSA
was never able to release serial numbers of suspect cards, I just dropped
it. The 2 cards that I *can* remember buying from WIWAG appear to be
graded properly & the holders are perfect. PSA never even told us what
to look for (or what not to look for) when it came to identifying slabs
or cards that WIWAG altered. Even if WIWAG was able to seal the holders
with no visible "frosting" on the edges they should have told us!

Man, sorry to go off on a tangent, but hearing what that rep at PSA told
you has got me wondering.... WTF???

Chuck

shagrotn77

Sounds to me like that Dbsultan character (or characters?) is a crook. I asked about the Gretzky after it disappeared from eBay. First he told me that he cracked it out and re-sent it because he thought it was a 10 (LOL). Then, in a subsequent e-mail, I was told that there was a crease in the card and PSA agreed to buy it from him to protect their interests. Then I get an e-mail offering me the Hull card, which I now find out was whacked. This is the kind of crap that really makes you wonder.

schr1st

Can you post the emails (with internet headers)? I wouldn't be shocked, knowing those clowns, but I just want to make sure.

Gottabuyit

That's messed up.

goodriddance189

<< <i>Sounds to me like that Dbsultan character (or characters?) is a crook. >>



he has a rep of buying lower graded PSA cards with his other ebay id's, then selling them a few months later as PRO 9's. he's an interesting fellow, with some suspect hobby moves in the past (the "Diamond 1/1" cards he sells on ebay are nothing more than common cards with an aftermarket foil 1/1 stamp)

schr1st

When I walked past their table at the National and saw all of the 1 of 1's I just couldn't stop laughing. You'd think they'd have better sense than that. I'd love to see Dave Byer, Kurt Divich, or whoever it is that actually runs the Sports N More store join the boards to "defend" themselves.