Complete* 1967 Set - posting the results
toppsgun
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I've basically completed my 1967 Topps baseball set. The asterisk (*) means I'll passively upgrade as time goes by, but I'm satisfied with it in it's current form. It's been at 100% for several weeks, and I'm down to my last card in PSA 7. No shame, either. It's #20-Orlando Cepeda, his MVP year. I've been promised a Cepeda in PSA 8 by both the guy immediately above me and the guy immediately below me in the standings, when they come across an extra one. So I'm confident at least one of them will come through, eventually. Since I'm done, I decided to open my set for viewing to any who are interested. Some of the 9's have scans, but not all.
1967 SET Currently #2 in the NATION
Thanks to the following for helping me along the way:
Myself (raw cards submitted) 154 (25% of the set)
Superior Auction Dec. 2002 149 (24%)
Dan Markel (currently #1) 51 (8%)
Steve Pekovich (bauerfan) 52 (8%), mostly raw high #'s four years ago that graded 8 or 9, not included in the 154 total above.
Dslsports 20
Zukeepr 16
Wayne Ellis 13 (all 9's in a single private transaction)
Ecmsi, Inc. 11
Alan Cowart 7 (mostly trades, including one round-tripper, #571-Larry Sherry; remember that one Alan?)
Others from whom I bought at least one, and up to 10 cards from (ebay names if I don't have their real names):
121Northshore, Alan Munson, Andiehaley, Andy Madec, Brian Aponte, Poway Sportscards, Dave Jacobs (trade), Fred Taylor, gmcassidy, grabelow, Gwo Shih, HeavenSent, icaancards, jdduck, jreigner, kaisercards, Bob Lins, Kevin Statz, Kit Young, Mark Iradenko, moniz, mecbto, Krukcards, Frank Klopp, Dave Kjeer, Paul Mount (trade), Neil Zarrella, on-the-mark, Perry Schwartzberg, Paul Sjolin, Paul Stark, psa1947, rickfanc, quality cards, Roger Neufeldt, Scottsdale Cards, Will Hays, Joe Taureillo, skcollectibles, skerbe, spcollectibles, sportscardzz, ssworld, tbgyhn, vsi and zeder4.
As is usually the case, I've ended up with a nice, but lesser condition second set of 1967 Topps. It's not registered. It's 88% complete with 11% graded, two PSA 6, two PSA 8oc and 62 PSA 7. The key cards (Big Three) are Seaver (PSA 7), Carew (6) and Mantle (6). Other 7's include Wills, Palmer, Killebrew, Perez, Brooks Robinson (oc), Carlton, Shannon, Brock, Drysdale, Mazeroski and Kaline. I'm missing 74 cards, mostly commons and mostly highs (32). Key stars missing are Red Sox Team, Colavito and Cash.
I'm torn between finishing it out or selling it off. The most likely option would be to keep the Big Three, sell off the remaining 7's and replace them with raw cards to end up with a nice raw NM+ set.
Let this post be a solicitation for advice on what to do with the 2nd set, including an entertainment of offers.
1967 SET Currently #2 in the NATION
Thanks to the following for helping me along the way:
Myself (raw cards submitted) 154 (25% of the set)
Superior Auction Dec. 2002 149 (24%)
Dan Markel (currently #1) 51 (8%)
Steve Pekovich (bauerfan) 52 (8%), mostly raw high #'s four years ago that graded 8 or 9, not included in the 154 total above.
Dslsports 20
Zukeepr 16
Wayne Ellis 13 (all 9's in a single private transaction)
Ecmsi, Inc. 11
Alan Cowart 7 (mostly trades, including one round-tripper, #571-Larry Sherry; remember that one Alan?)
Others from whom I bought at least one, and up to 10 cards from (ebay names if I don't have their real names):
121Northshore, Alan Munson, Andiehaley, Andy Madec, Brian Aponte, Poway Sportscards, Dave Jacobs (trade), Fred Taylor, gmcassidy, grabelow, Gwo Shih, HeavenSent, icaancards, jdduck, jreigner, kaisercards, Bob Lins, Kevin Statz, Kit Young, Mark Iradenko, moniz, mecbto, Krukcards, Frank Klopp, Dave Kjeer, Paul Mount (trade), Neil Zarrella, on-the-mark, Perry Schwartzberg, Paul Sjolin, Paul Stark, psa1947, rickfanc, quality cards, Roger Neufeldt, Scottsdale Cards, Will Hays, Joe Taureillo, skcollectibles, skerbe, spcollectibles, sportscardzz, ssworld, tbgyhn, vsi and zeder4.
As is usually the case, I've ended up with a nice, but lesser condition second set of 1967 Topps. It's not registered. It's 88% complete with 11% graded, two PSA 6, two PSA 8oc and 62 PSA 7. The key cards (Big Three) are Seaver (PSA 7), Carew (6) and Mantle (6). Other 7's include Wills, Palmer, Killebrew, Perez, Brooks Robinson (oc), Carlton, Shannon, Brock, Drysdale, Mazeroski and Kaline. I'm missing 74 cards, mostly commons and mostly highs (32). Key stars missing are Red Sox Team, Colavito and Cash.
I'm torn between finishing it out or selling it off. The most likely option would be to keep the Big Three, sell off the remaining 7's and replace them with raw cards to end up with a nice raw NM+ set.
Let this post be a solicitation for advice on what to do with the 2nd set, including an entertainment of offers.
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Comments
I sent you a PM.
You're thinking of selling it off? Say it ain't so!
My advice would be "depends on what else is going on".
Let's face it, if building it once was fun, then building it twice should still be a good time. If you have a list of twenty other sets waiting to be built that are underfunded then sell away. If the pending list is short, then why not try it again.
Last I checked I had three 66 BB in the top ten and three 66 FB in the top six (as well as a multiples in several other FB years). Build what you like, and when you finish, there are no rules that say you can't do it again.
Fuzz
Loves me some shiny!
I gave Dan a Cepeda 8 at the first "National summit meeting". I bought it from Maraya for $25. If I find one...you gotta come to the National dinner to pick it up
Regards,
Alan
PS And I do remember the Sherry deal...I never forgave you!!!
I will also echo congrats - as a guy sitting at about 95% complete for some time now I can first hand appreciate the accomplishment and hope to one day get there myself!
As far as the 2nd set goes I would suggest selling it off and starting and using the proceeds to start a different set - although not a frequent contributor to this board, I have learned a great deal about this set and the players in it from other 67 collectors and believe that starting a different set in a different decade might be the way to go - just an opinion.
Congrats again
ED (treadway1)
<< <i>Let's face it, if building it once was fun, then building it twice should still be a good time >>
FUZZ should know, as he must have the nucleus to build a dozen PSA 1966 sets
Website: http://www.qualitycards.com
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
Wayne
Congratulations on the completion of your set. I am glad to have helped you along the way.
joedel
Nice
Dave
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Eric "uniship"
ps - here was your feedback for me:
joedel( 1389) Mar-11-99 14:26:36 PST Praise : Quick payment. Fast emails. An asset to EBAY! Welcome aboard!
Uniship, what are you talking about?? Never mind. I guess you edited it out.
Best of Luck on future endeavors.
RayB69Topps
Thanks for the kind words. It has been a long time. What items are you now working on? Check out my sight and email me directly at jdelgrippo@comcast.net
Some great 59's on board now.
joe
Do you have an idea of how much you invested to complete it?
How does that number compare to that SMR value of a PSA 8 set?
Complete 1967 set in PSA 8 lists in Dec '03 SMR at $17,314.
Yours is rated 8.09. Very curious about the dollars need to assemble such a set.
Nate
I've been extremely fortunate in buying a couple of large lots, one graded (Superior auction) and one raw (high # Pekokvich deal). That certainly beats the excruciating, card-by-card assembly others have tried. I'd recommend making a big start or at least a series of lump sum buys if your desire is to undertake this set.
One other comment. My grading submissions for this set more frequently got favorable smiles from the graders than the other years I collect. I can't explain it and it wasn't rampant, but at least I avoided the "grader of death."
Edited to add:
At least two dozen cards in the set cost me double SMR or more. My Top 10, most expensive, at triple SMR or higher:
2 HAMILTON
13 SPARMA
26 PRIDDY
37 WISE
41 HORNER
72 KORINCE/MATCHICK-Tigers RC
106 HUNDLEY
363 JOHNSON
492 TEAM PIRATES
572 DEMETER
You bailed me out on the Sims card...big time. Normally, that would be on the 3X + list. I don't understand the Hundley card being so expensive. The Demeter card is a killer (I don't know of a tougher high number). That's honestly the only card that I remember ever outbidding Joel on. There are some cards that I look back and regret paying too much for. At $175...my Demeter wasn't one of them.
Regards,
Alan
I had two raw Sims both grade 8. I got one, you got the other (in trade for my Larry Sherry). You originally traded me several cards for the Sherry. I think Dick Bennett, Al Dark, Pete Mikkelsen, Bo Belinsky and Larry Dierker were involved in some way. We both probably came out OK.
As for Hundley, it was an ebay win 7/13/03. I was out of town, so it was likely a snipe that someone else also had their eye on. That's the breaks.
Demeter is flat undervalued at an SMR of $25.
Toppsgun,
Congrats on a nice set.I am shooting for being at 80% on my 56 set this year and finishing up next year.Then I will get serious about my 65 set.
Vic
Nice ideas, and things I can do since I keep a spreadsheet of all PSA cards acquired -
who you got them from, most expensive, cheapest, etc - can do all of that and will
post when I do.
Paul/1967topps (with the dubious honor of having the lowest-rated complete set
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
3 sets of stats.
a) people I got the most 1967 PSA 8 or beter cards from, like toppsgun provided above:
luckydsjs/gimel1 86 (as he completed then sold)
skylaneflyer 57 (as he completed then auctioned)
toppsgun 47
dslsports 45
joetuttle/jtcards 39
bauerfan/oiljar 36
apollocat/danmarkel 36
teletrade 22
stump 17 22
triple S 20
larryh626 15
ernieray 12
champsand bums 12
wvshoebox 11
jmerrill 11
all star cards 11
rushoeless/shoelessjoes 10
andiehaley 10
sbcards 10
ksavagecards 9
amunsoncubby 9
zukepr 8
kaisercards 8
skerbe 8
spcollectibles 8
stevenovella 7
vintagecards 7
came with NM set I bought 7
mr. Nearmint 7
fairway 7
hobson 7
sjjs/saldutti 6
smonize 6
sarahwest 6
gorsch 6
camecards 6
my sub to PSA 6
joedel 5
jonstats 5
acowa 5
scdewitt 5
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
A few are the superstars, a few are the ultra-rare (low population), and a few are just the bucks
you pay when trying to complete. Note: I was 4th to complete the set in graded, 6th or 8th to complete in All-PSA8 or better
num name cost source/notes PSA 8 except as noted
581 Seaver Rookie 649 teletrade
150 Mantle 425 GEM
569 Carew Rookie 390 jwmerrill
425 Gonzalez 350 PSA 9 because I couldn't find an 8 triplesSs
600 B Robinson 318 brodhead
325 Cardenas 283 PSA 10 bauerfan
400 Clemente 265 bek999
3 Sims 236 sjjs (later got a 9 back from PSA!)
430 Rose 219 bruceperry
200 Mays 208 chief4
580 Colavito 200 ernieray
250 Aaron 191 andiehaley
592 NL Rookie Stars 175 pkcards
520 Alvis 166 PSA 9
604 Red Sox Team 155 hobson
355 Yastrzemski 140 teletrade
285 Brock 138 kaisercards
528 Petrocelli 135 ksavagecards
570 Wills 134 jtcards
605 Shannon 133 jimmcmahon
98 Rollins 130 stump17 (later got one back from PSA)
2 Hamilton 128 steve.saldutti
609 John 125 sandiegowill
560 Bunning 122 teletrade
165 Jones 122 PSA 9
196 Romano 120 sjjs
429 Roggenburk 116 shoelessjoes
540 Cash 115 migliaccio
140 Stargell 112 donb601
45 Maris 110 121northshore
270 Versailles 104 PSA 9 stevenovella
117 Brandon variation 100 scott.french
215 Banks 100 amunsoncubby
558 Belanger rookie 100 jerrywest
Notes: about a week after the first PSA 8 Petrocelli on eBay, there were a couple more.
In some cases the price was high as 2 or more set builders bid against each other, i.e. Roggenburk.
No price noted for Killebrew (teletrade). Mickey Stanley was a $10 submission of my own card
Palmer and Perez were about 98.
Next: cost of the last cards to complete the set in 8.
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
21 Dave Bristol ($36, smonize)
163 Vic Roznovsky (my submit raw)
186 Mets Maulers ($32, fairway)
395 Chris Short ($34, delmar)
424 Pedro Gonzalez ($350, PSA 9, skerbe)
457 Andy Etchebarren ($97, smonize)
482 Bill Monbouquette ($39, french)
and huge thanks and a PSA 9 Max Alvis to EJGuru for :
421 Dal Maxvill (trade )
whew!
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
1967 356 PSA 8 NM-MT Larry Jaster 7 gimel1 12/01 5492684
1967 46 PSA 8 NM-MT Lindy McDaniel 9 skylaneflyer 03/03 4178710
1967 212 PSA 8 NM-MT Chris Zachry 9 vintagecards 4/00 4234123
1967 256 PSA 8 NM-MT Bob Hendley 9 feldman 08/03 30370753
1967 259 PSA 8 NM-MT Don Dennis 9 hershtj 11/00 4234374
1967 24 PSA 8 NM-MT Bob Allen 8 sjjs 07/03 40148942
1967 72 PSA 8 NM-MT Tigers Rookies (Korince, Matchick) 10 teletrade 11/99 5164169
1967 75 PSA 8 NM-MT George Scott 10 teletrade 11/99 5164170
1967 101 PSA 8 NM-MT Ken Johnson 10 ernieray 07/04 1845272
1967 104 PSA 8 NM-MT Minnie Rojas 10 teletrade 11/99
1967 113 PSA 8 NM-MT Dave Nicholson 10 trs 6/99 1166572
1967 137 PSA 8 NM-MT Twins Rookies (Ron Clark, Jim Ollom) 10 ernieray 07/04 40258360
1967 156 PSA 8 NM-MT Ron Herbel 10 drowmeier 12/99 6211664
1967 158 PSA 8 NM-MT Jimmy Coker 10 ernieray 07/04 50036092
1967 170 PSA 8 NM-MT Dick McAuliffe 10 my submission 10/03 11635238
1967 199 PSA 8 NM-MT Billy Hitchc___ 10 ernieray 07/04 30361536
1967 199 PSA 8 NM-MT Billy Hitchc___ 10 stevenraab 08/03 30339781
1967 202 PSA 8 NM-MT Johnny Edwards 10 ernieray 07/04 2279697
1967 221 PSA 8 NM-MT Woody Fryman 10 feldman 08/03 30370632
1967 249 PSA 8 NM-MT Nick Willhite 10 stevenraab 08/03 90229917
1967 258 PSA 8 NM-MT Lee Maye 10 ernieray 07/04 3716414
1967 262 PSA 8 NM-MT John Wyatt 10 ernieray 07/04 3716415
1967 286 PSA 8 NM-MT Wayne Causey 10 ernieray 07/04 3716426
1967 342 PSA 8 NM-MT Hank Fischer 10 jjtmmw 12/02 90112262
1967 344 PSA 8 NM-MT Ossie Chavarria 10 ernieray 07/04 1744213
1967 344 PSA 8 NM-MT Ossie Chavarria 10 garyprachar 01/03 90043966
1967 357 PSA 8 NM-MT Bill Skowron 10 ernieray 07/04 1744229
1967 364 PSA 8 NM-MT Claude Raymond 10 sbcards 01/03 40172065
1967 365 PSA 8 NM-MT John Roseboro 10 ksavagecards 08/03 11550362
1967 368 PSA 8 NM-MT Jack Hiatt 10 ernieray 07/04 1744220
1967 607 PSA 8 NM-MT Mickey Stanley 10 my submission 10/03 11635248
Note: the system prohibited me from fully naming the Braves Manager in Card # 199. Even replacing the "o"
with a * wasn't good enough. Now what if I had mentioned a Dick Lines card?
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
Do you have a new challenge in mind TG?
I don't know, how about the worst possible complete set in graded?
I got a nice headstart - all those cards that I thought for sure were 8s or 7s at best that
came back FIVE. Dozens of them. The grader of death perhaps.
You know how you get clothing with a little tag "inspected by #2"
How about a note on the initials of who graded our submission.
I can see it now: Grader: GOD
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
Makes me realize how shoddy my own record keeping is by comparison.