we need some kind of a participant list and a score. are we starting out at a score of 100 and working backwards?? Russ, you seem to have held current to the PCGS Contest trend that collectors will tend to undergrade!! am i right to see your score as 92?? hey Brian, i see you at 97 with seven coins left. that 2003-D is indeed tough, i think the planchets were either flawed to begin with, the coins mishandled after striking or the strikes seem incredibly weak.
i'll try to do an occasional TTT during the day to help late entrants.
we need some kind of a participant list and a score.
Al and all, I'll post the comprehensive list tomorrow, along with the contestant's progress so far. Thanks to all who participated. This is a fun exercise, and I hope it will prove useful.
Don
Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
OK, here were the rules David used in the World Series to refresh everyone's memory.
Everyone starts out with 100 points. Points are deducted as follows...
Miss a coin by one grade...minus 1 Miss a coin by two or more grades...minus 2.5 Miss a designation (PL, CAM. FBL, etc)...minus 1.5 Miss a grade/no grade call...minus 1.5 Miss a counterfeit...minus 2.5 (not saying there will be counterfeits, but there might be)
Highest score wins!
Russ - SCORE 89
Invoice #3032536
Line 2: 1956 proof Frankie: PR66DCAM (PR67CA) -2.5 Line 3: 1964 Kennedy: MS66 (MS66) Line 4: 1964 Proof JFK: PR67DCAM (PR68CA) -2.5 Line 5: 1964 Proof JFK: PR68DCAM (PR69CA) -2.5 Line 6: Accented Hair: PR65 (PR67) -2.5 Line 7: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67) Line 8: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67) Line 9: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67) Line 10: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67) Line 11: 1965 Kennedy: MS66 (MS67) -1
Itsnotjustme -
Invoice 9018252 Line 3 1978-D Ike MS65 Clipped Planchet (MS65)
Invoice 9018321 Line 1 1807 Large Cent FA02 Comet (pending) Line 5 1955-D Washington MS65 (pending)
Invoice 9018325 Line 1 1972 Ike MS63 Type 1 (MS64) -1 Line 2, coin 3 2003-D Jefferson MS66FS $ (MS64FS) -2.5
Invoice 9019186 Line 1, coin 2 2003-D Illinois MS67 (pending) Line 3 2003-D Missouri MS68 $$ (pending) Line 4, coin 2 2003-D Arkansas MS67 Line 4, coin 3 2003-D Arkansas MS68 $$ (pending) Line 6, coin 2 1972 Ike MS65 Type 1 (pending)
Edited To Include: Submission# 9020756 Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (not rec'd yet) ...could very well go 63PL ...gotta have 1 disappointment though. Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (not rec'd yet)
RGL -
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD) Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA) Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1 Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending) Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending) Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending) Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending) Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (pending) Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (pending)
keets -
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 1.---2000-D/$1.MS65. nice tone. (pending) Line 2.---1971/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending) Line 3.---1971-D/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending) Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (pending) from an original bank roll, pictured below. Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (pending) maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low?? Line 6.---1965/25c.MS66. (pending) non SMS, at least that's what i think!! Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (pending) lovely frosty tone, pictured below. Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (pending) great mirrors, great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!! Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending) just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM. Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending) rock solid gem.
ksteelheader -
Invoice #9019966 . 1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (pending) ...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
wow, if this is the scoring scale i'm toast. how about a .5 credit if the designation is correct? ie) you guess 68dcam, it grades 67dcam--instead of a 1pt deduction you only take a .5pt hit. however, if it comes back 67cam you take the full monte. I suggest this b/c if a coin has a designation, you're guessing 2 distinct criteria, of which you have 2 possible ways of losing points. However, if you're submitting circ or coins without a possible designation, you can only lose on one criteria....the grade.
Thanks Russ, math corrected. This point system works great if everyone is grading the same coins...however, with each person guessing grades on diff coins, the playing field may need a little adjusting. Either way, it's still good quality fun
.............and the last post here was on Feb. 27th so apparently nobody has received any grades since then. slow seems to be the operative word, so here's a TTT and you'll have to excuse me, i'm gonna go make certain that Further processing is pending.
Edited To Include: Submission# 9020756 Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (pending) ...could very well go 63PL ...gotta have 1 disappointment though. Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (pending)
RGL -
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD) Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA) Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending) Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending) Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending) Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending) Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (pending) Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (pending)
keets -
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 1.---2000-D/$1.MS65. nice tone. (pending) Line 2.---1971/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending) Line 3.---1971-D/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending) Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (pending) from an original bank roll, pictured below. Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (pending) maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low?? Line 6.---1965/25c.MS66. (pending) non SMS, at least that's what i think!! Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (pending) lovely frosty tone, pictured below. Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending) Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (pending) great mirrors, great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!! Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending) just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM. Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending) rock solid gem.
ksteelheader -
Invoice #9019966 . 1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (pending) ...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
Edited To Include: Submission# 9020756 Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (pending) ...could very well go 63PL ...gotta have 1 disappointment though. Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (pending)
RGL - Score 90.5
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD) Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA) Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1.5 Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR66) -1 Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR65) -1 Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR66) Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR67) Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (PR67) -2.5 Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (PR67CA) -1.5
keets - Score 91
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (MS65) -1 from an original bank roll, pictured below. Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (MS69) maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low?? Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (MS64) -1 lovely frosty tone, pictured below. Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS) Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5 Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5 Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS) Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (MS65 Cam) -1 great mirrors, great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!! Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1 just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM. Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1 rock solid gem.
ksteelheader - Score 81
Invoice #9019966 . 1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (MS66) ...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
Edited To Include: Submission# 9020756 Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (MS62) ...could very well go 63PL ...gotta have 1 disappointment though. Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
RGL - Score 90.5
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD) Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA) Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1.5 Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR66) -1 Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR65) -1 Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR66) Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR67) Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (PR67) -2.5 Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (PR67CA) -1.5
keets - Score 90.5
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (MS65) -1 from an original bank roll, pictured below. Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (MS69) maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low?? Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (MS64) -1 lovely frosty tone, pictured below. Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS) Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5 Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5 Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS) Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (MS65 Cam) -1.5 great mirrors, great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!! Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1 just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM. Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1 rock solid gem.
ksteelheader - Score 81
Invoice #9019966 . 1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (MS66) ...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
poptopruss, based on my count, you got 6 of the first 10 coins listed correct, but since I can't tell the order of the coins, I can't score your invoice consistently with the others. Although I'm sure it's not true, because I can't associate a specific coin with a specific grade, it's remotely possible you missed ALL the coins, so I must disqualify you for the contest, but congratulate you on a nice invoice and good eye. - Don
Looks like a 7 man race. Good luck boys. I'll update again as invoices post.
Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
We have a winner. BigAl, not only did you pick some very difficult material, you made it look easy. Great score, and great coins. Thanks to all of you who played. You guys all deserve credit for putting your skills on public display, and you all did well. Maybe we can do it again sometime. BigAl, PM me your mailing address and the Lincoln will be on the way in the A.M.
BigAl Score 95.5
Submission# 9019037 Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL) Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15) Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5 (LOL, I bet you hated being wrong)
Edited To Include: Submission# 9020756 Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (MS62) ...could very well go 63PL ...gotta have 1 disappointment though. Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
you are the man and the grading machine!!!!!!!! though it's said that Morgans are the easiest coin to grade, it still takes consummate skill to be correct and in agreement with a grading service a high percentage of the time. my hats off to you for some fine coins you've ended up with as well as winning the contest.
Keets, certainly the easiest series for me to grade…and the only series I feel somewhat comfortable grading (at least I threw in one circ!)---thanks for your kind remarks! Russ, that goes for you also…
The tricky part to grading these Morgans was in the PL designations. I submitted a few liners, especially the 78, the 83 (that came back 63), the 81, and the 85--which could have gone DMPL.
As for the 91cc (thanks for rubbing it in Don!) yes I dropped the ball on that one, however that coin has a huge rim ding at 12 o’clock on the reverse and I was unsure how pcgs would view that….I felt it was a 62PL, but got nervous and thought PCGS would drop it in a 61 holder….should have gone with the gut, my mistake. At least I now know to Add rather than subtract a point for rim dings!
Don, what a great idea for a cointest, thanks for hosting…enjoyed it very much. Can’t wait to do it again!
For my pride, I make one note of correction. Invoice 9019186 only had 3 coins sent in on line 4. When I started the invoice, I had 5, and wrote that on the form, thus the two "no grades". What I called coins 2 and 3 showed as coins 4 & 5 on the invoice. But I still lost!
Comments
Contest guesses same as my comments:
2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent: MS-67 RD (Far superior to my current PCGS MS-67 example, MS-68)
3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents: MS-66 CAM (A raw Russ-pedigreed coin; near DCAM, a little shiny atop Tom's wig, MS-66 CAM)
4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents: MS-66 CAM (PCI 67 Ultra Cam crackout; going back in, this is DCAM all day, MS-66 DCAM)
6 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents: MS-66 (Totally laughable; PCGS 67 crackout; wonderous mirrors, no doubt MS-67 CAM, headed back)
I inadvertently listed the '65 SMS quarter as Line 5, when it was actually Line 6...
Thanks again, Don, for the contest!
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
hmmmm.
Sounds like they already have a great plan to keep getting paid to grade the same coin, over and over!
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
#1 qty5 2004 P 50c 1-MS65 2-MS66 2-MS67
#2 qty6 2004 D 50c 2-MS65 2-MS66 1-MS67 1-MS68
#3 qty1 1967 SMS 5c MS66CAM
Disclamer I can't remember well what they looked like but just for kicks a giggles I'll give it a shot.
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we need some kind of a participant list and a score. are we starting out at a score of 100 and working backwards?? Russ, you seem to have held current to the PCGS Contest trend that collectors will tend to undergrade!! am i right to see your score as 92?? hey Brian, i see you at 97 with seven coins left. that 2003-D is indeed tough, i think the planchets were either flawed to begin with, the coins mishandled after striking or the strikes seem incredibly weak.
i'll try to do an occasional TTT during the day to help late entrants.
al h.
Al and all, I'll post the comprehensive list tomorrow, along with the contestant's progress so far. Thanks to all who participated. This is a fun exercise, and I hope it will prove useful.
Don
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
refresh everyone's memory.
Everyone starts out with 100 points. Points are deducted as follows...
Miss a coin by one grade...minus 1
Miss a coin by two or more grades...minus 2.5
Miss a designation (PL, CAM. FBL, etc)...minus 1.5
Miss a grade/no grade call...minus 1.5
Miss a counterfeit...minus 2.5 (not saying there will be counterfeits, but there might be)
Highest score wins!
Russ - SCORE 89
Invoice #3032536
Line 2: 1956 proof Frankie: PR66DCAM (PR67CA) -2.5
Line 3: 1964 Kennedy: MS66 (MS66)
Line 4: 1964 Proof JFK: PR67DCAM (PR68CA) -2.5
Line 5: 1964 Proof JFK: PR68DCAM (PR69CA) -2.5
Line 6: Accented Hair: PR65 (PR67) -2.5
Line 7: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 8: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 9: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 10: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 11: 1965 Kennedy: MS66 (MS67) -1
Itsnotjustme -
Invoice 9018252
Line 3 1978-D Ike MS65 Clipped Planchet (MS65)
Invoice 9018321
Line 1 1807 Large Cent FA02 Comet (pending)
Line 5 1955-D Washington MS65 (pending)
Invoice 9018325
Line 1 1972 Ike MS63 Type 1 (MS64) -1
Line 2, coin 3 2003-D Jefferson MS66FS $ (MS64FS) -2.5
Invoice 9019186
Line 1, coin 2 2003-D Illinois MS67 (pending)
Line 3 2003-D Missouri MS68 $$ (pending)
Line 4, coin 2 2003-D Arkansas MS67
Line 4, coin 3 2003-D Arkansas MS68 $$ (pending)
Line 6, coin 2 1972 Ike MS65 Type 1 (pending)
BigAl
Submission# 9019037
Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL)
Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15)
Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5
Submission# 3129813
Line1: 1878cc Morgan: MS62PL (pending)
Line2: 1879.... Morgan: MS64 (pending)
Line3: 1882cc Morgan: MS64PL
Line4: 1883cc Morgan: MS63 (pending)
...the coin is PL but i'm guessing screwage.
Line5: 1884cc Morgan: MS64PL (pending)
Edited To Include:
Submission# 9020756
Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (not rec'd yet)
...could very well go 63PL
...gotta have 1 disappointment though.
Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (not rec'd yet)
RGL -
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD)
Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA)
Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1
Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending)
Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending)
Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending)
Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending)
Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (pending)
Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (pending)
keets -
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 1.---2000-D/$1.MS65. nice tone. (pending)
Line 2.---1971/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending)
Line 3.---1971-D/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending)
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (pending)
from an original bank roll, pictured below.
Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (pending)
maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low??
Line 6.---1965/25c.MS66. (pending)
non SMS, at least that's what i think!!
Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (pending)
lovely frosty tone, pictured below.
Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (pending)
great mirrors,
great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!!
Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending)
just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM.
Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending)
rock solid gem.
ksteelheader -
Invoice #9019966
.
1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (pending)
...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
2....1966 SMS Kennedy....MS66Cam (pending)
3....1965 SMS Kennedy.....MS68Cam (pending)
4....1966 SMS Kennedy.....MS65Dcam (pending)
5....1966 SMS cent...........MS66Cam (pending)
6....1966 SMS quarter......MS66Cam (pending)
7....1972D Kennedy........MS67 (pending)
8....1970D Kennedy.......MS65 (pending)
....Mint set from Mike Dixon
9....1965 SMS Kennedy......MS67Cam (pending)
10...1965 Sms Kennedy.....MS66Cam (pending)
poptopruss - #3132144
#1 qty5 2004 P 50c 1-MS65 2-MS66 2-MS67
#2 qty6 2004 D 50c 2-MS65 2-MS66 1-MS67 1-MS68
#3 qty1 1967 SMS 5c MS66CAM
Looks like a 7 man race. Good luck boys.
again as invoices post.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Russ, NCNE
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Edited to correct math, thanks Russ.
<< <i>.5 credit if the designation is correct? ie) you guess 68dcam, it grades 67dcam--instead of a 1.5 deduction you only take a 1pt hit. >>
In that scenario, it would only be a one point hit, just the grade itself.
I agree with your premise, though. We who stick our necks out and submit coins with designators should be rewarded for having balls.
Russ, NCNE
Thanks Russ, math corrected. This point system works great if everyone is grading the same coins...however, with each person guessing grades on diff coins, the playing field may need a little adjusting. Either way, it's still good quality fun
You didn't pick many slow pitches.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
9019186 posted.
Hit
Off 1
Off 1
Off 3!!!
Off 1
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
al h.
Updated 3/8/04
Russ - SCORE 89
Invoice #3032536
Line 2: 1956 proof Frankie: PR66DCAM (PR67CA) -2.5
Line 3: 1964 Kennedy: MS66 (MS66)
Line 4: 1964 Proof JFK: PR67DCAM (PR68CA) -2.5
Line 5: 1964 Proof JFK: PR68DCAM (PR69CA) -2.5
Line 6: Accented Hair: PR65 (PR67) -2.5
Line 7: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 8: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 9: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 10: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 11: 1965 Kennedy: MS66 (MS67) -1
Itsnotjustme -
Invoice 9018252
Line 3 1978-D Ike MS65 Clipped Planchet (MS65)
Invoice 9018321
Line 1 1807 Large Cent FA02 Comet (pending)
Line 5 1955-D Washington MS65 (pending)
Invoice 9018325
Line 1 1972 Ike MS63 Type 1 (MS64) -1
Line 2, coin 3 2003-D Jefferson MS66FS $ (MS64FS) -2.5
Invoice 9019186
Line 1, coin 2 2003-D Illinois MS67 (MS67)
Line 3 2003-D Missouri MS68 $$ (MS65) -2.5
Line 4, coin 2 2003-D Arkansas MS67 (no grade) -2.5
Line 4, coin 3 2003-D Arkansas MS68 $$ (MS66) -2.5
Line 6, coin 2 1972 Ike MS65 Type 1 (MS64) -1
BigAl
Submission# 9019037
Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL)
Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15)
Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5
Submission# 3129813
Line1: 1878cc Morgan: MS62PL (pending)
Line2: 1879.... Morgan: MS64 (pending)
Line3: 1882cc Morgan: MS64PL
Line4: 1883cc Morgan: MS63 (pending)
...the coin is PL but i'm guessing screwage.
Line5: 1884cc Morgan: MS64PL (pending)
Edited To Include:
Submission# 9020756
Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (pending)
...could very well go 63PL
...gotta have 1 disappointment though.
Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (pending)
RGL -
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD)
Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA)
Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA)
Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending)
Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending)
Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (pending)
Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (pending)
Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (pending)
Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (pending)
keets -
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 1.---2000-D/$1.MS65. nice tone. (pending)
Line 2.---1971/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending)
Line 3.---1971-D/$1.MS65. beautiful tone. (pending)
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (pending)
from an original bank roll, pictured below.
Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (pending)
maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low??
Line 6.---1965/25c.MS66. (pending)
non SMS, at least that's what i think!!
Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (pending)
lovely frosty tone, pictured below.
Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (pending)
Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (pending)
great mirrors,
great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!!
Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending)
just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM.
Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (pending)
rock solid gem.
ksteelheader -
Invoice #9019966
.
1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (pending)
...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
2....1966 SMS Kennedy....MS66Cam (pending)
3....1965 SMS Kennedy.....MS68Cam (pending)
4....1966 SMS Kennedy.....MS65Dcam (pending)
5....1966 SMS cent...........MS66Cam (pending)
6....1966 SMS quarter......MS66Cam (pending)
7....1972D Kennedy........MS67 (pending)
8....1970D Kennedy.......MS65 (pending)
....Mint set from Mike Dixon
9....1965 SMS Kennedy......MS67Cam (pending)
10...1965 Sms Kennedy.....MS66Cam (pending)
poptopruss - #3132144
#1 qty5 2004 P 50c 1-MS65 2-MS66 2-MS67
#2 qty6 2004 D 50c 2-MS65 2-MS66 1-MS67 1-MS68
#3 qty1 1967 SMS 5c MS66CAM
Not much change. I expect movement soon.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Russ - SCORE 89
Invoice #3032536
Line 2: 1956 proof Frankie: PR66DCAM (PR67CA) -2.5
Line 3: 1964 Kennedy: MS66 (MS66)
Line 4: 1964 Proof JFK: PR67DCAM (PR68CA) -2.5
Line 5: 1964 Proof JFK: PR68DCAM (PR69CA) -2.5
Line 6: Accented Hair: PR65 (PR67) -2.5
Line 7: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 8: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 9: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 10: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 11: 1965 Kennedy: MS66 (MS67) -1
Itsnotjustme -
Invoice 9018252
Line 3 1978-D Ike MS65 Clipped Planchet (MS65)
Invoice 9018321
Line 1 1807 Large Cent FA02 Comet (pending)
Line 5 1955-D Washington MS65 (pending)
Invoice 9018325
Line 1 1972 Ike MS63 Type 1 (MS64) -1
Line 2, coin 3 2003-D Jefferson MS66FS $ (MS64FS) -2.5
Invoice 9019186
Line 1, coin 2 2003-D Illinois MS67 (MS67)
Line 3 2003-D Missouri MS68 $$ (MS65) -2.5
Line 4, coin 2 2003-D Arkansas MS67 (no grade) -2.5
Line 4, coin 3 2003-D Arkansas MS68 $$ (MS66) -2.5
Line 6, coin 2 1972 Ike MS65 Type 1 (MS64) -1
BigAl
Submission# 9019037
Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL)
Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15)
Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5
Submission# 3129813
Line1: 1878cc Morgan: MS62PL (pending)
Line2: 1879.... Morgan: MS64 (pending)
Line3: 1882cc Morgan: MS64PL
Line4: 1883cc Morgan: MS63 (pending)
...the coin is PL but i'm guessing screwage.
Line5: 1884cc Morgan: MS64PL (pending)
Edited To Include:
Submission# 9020756
Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (pending)
...could very well go 63PL
...gotta have 1 disappointment though.
Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (pending)
RGL - Score 90.5
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD)
Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA)
Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1.5
Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR66) -1
Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR65) -1
Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR66)
Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR67)
Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (PR67) -2.5
Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (PR67CA) -1.5
keets - Score 91
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (MS65) -1
from an original bank roll, pictured below.
Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (MS69)
maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low??
Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (MS64) -1
lovely frosty tone, pictured below.
Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS)
Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5
Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5
Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS)
Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (MS65 Cam) -1
great mirrors,
great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!!
Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1
just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM.
Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1
rock solid gem.
ksteelheader - Score 81
Invoice #9019966
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1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (MS66)
...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
2....1966 SMS Kennedy....MS66Cam (MS66CA)
3....1965 SMS Kennedy.....MS68Cam (MS67CA) -1
4....1966 SMS Kennedy.....MS65Dcam (MS66CA) -2.5
5....1966 SMS cent...........MS66Cam (MS66) -1.5
6....1966 SMS quarter......MS66Cam (MS64) -4
7....1972D Kennedy........MS67 (MS64) -2.5
8....1970D Kennedy.......MS65 (MS63) -2.5
....Mint set from Mike Dixon
9....1965 SMS Kennedy......MS67Cam (MS66) -2.5
10...1965 Sms Kennedy.....MS66Cam (MS67) -2.5
poptopruss - #3132144
#1 qty5 2004 P 50c 1-MS65 2-MS66 2-MS67
#2 qty6 2004 D 50c 2-MS65 2-MS66 1-MS67 1-MS68
#3 qty1 1967 SMS 5c MS66CAM
Edited to acknowledge the 10 coins AL selected. Good luck all.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Russ - SCORE 89
Invoice #3032536
Line 2: 1956 proof Frankie: PR66DCAM (PR67CA) -2.5
Line 3: 1964 Kennedy: MS66 (MS66)
Line 4: 1964 Proof JFK: PR67DCAM (PR68CA) -2.5
Line 5: 1964 Proof JFK: PR68DCAM (PR69CA) -2.5
Line 6: Accented Hair: PR65 (PR67) -2.5
Line 7: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 8: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 9: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 10: Accented Hair: PR67 (PR67)
Line 11: 1965 Kennedy: MS66 (MS67) -1
Itsnotjustme - Score 84.5
Invoice 9018252
Line 3 1978-D Ike MS65 Clipped Planchet (MS65)
Invoice 9018321
Line 1 1807 Large Cent FA02 Comet (PO01 BN) -1
Line 5 1955-D Washington MS65 (MS63) -2.5
Invoice 9018325
Line 1 1972 Ike MS63 Type 1 (MS64) -1
Line 2, coin 3 2003-D Jefferson MS66FS $ (MS64FS) -2.5
Invoice 9019186
Line 1, coin 2 2003-D Illinois MS67 (MS67)
Line 3 2003-D Missouri MS68 $$ (MS65) -2.5
Line 4, coin 2 2003-D Arkansas MS67 (no grade) -2.5
Line 4, coin 3 2003-D Arkansas MS68 $$ (MS66) -2.5
Line 6, coin 2 1972 Ike MS65 Type 1 (MS64) -1
BigAl Score 95.5
Submission# 9019037
Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL)
Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15)
Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5
Submission# 3129813
Line1: 1878cc Morgan: MS62PL (MS63PL) -1
Line2: 1879.... Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
Line3: 1882cc Morgan: MS64PL (MS63PL) -1
Line4: 1883cc Morgan: MS63 (MS63)
...the coin is PL but i'm guessing screwage.
Line5: 1884cc Morgan: MS64PL (MS64PL)
Edited To Include:
Submission# 9020756
Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (MS62)
...could very well go 63PL
...gotta have 1 disappointment though.
Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
RGL - Score 90.5
Invoice # 3112752 (Modern)
Line 2 -- 1967 SMS 1 cent -- MS-68 (MS67RD) -1 (giving you RD)
Line 3 -- 1965 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 CAM (MS66CA)
Line 4 -- 1966 SMS 5 cents -- MS-66 DCAM (MS66CA) -1.5
Line 5 -- 1965 SMS 25 cents -- MS-67 CAM (MS68CA) -1
Invoice # 3112753 (Economy)
Line 2 -- 1941 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR66) -1
Line 3 -- 1942 Type 1 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR65) -1
Line 5 -- 1950 5 cents -- PR-66 (PR66)
Line 7 -- 1953 5 cents -- PR-67 (PR67)
Line 9 -- 1960 5 cents -- PR-68 CAM (PR67) -2.5
Line 10 -- 1964 5 cents -- PR-67 DCAM (PR67CA) -1.5
keets - Score 90.5
Submission number----3109744. Received 1/14/04.
Line 4.---1976 Type 2/$1.MS66. (MS65) -1
from an original bank roll, pictured below.
Line 5.---W.W.II/50c.MS69. (MS69)
maybe MS70?? what happens if we come in low??
Line 7.---1972/10c.MS65. (MS64) -1
lovely frosty tone, pictured below.
Line 8.---1973/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS)
Line 9.---1986-D/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5
Line 10.---1984-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS64 FS) -2.5
Line 11.---1995-P/5c.MS66FS. (MS66 FS)
Line 12.---1967/5c.MS65DCAM. (MS65 Cam) -1.5
great mirrors,
great cameo and that SMS halo-effect!!
Line 13.---1969-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1
just about the toughest post SMS date in 69DCAM.
Line 14.---1972-S/5c.MS69DCAM. (PR68 Dcam) -1
rock solid gem.
ksteelheader - Score 81
Invoice #9019966
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1....1970D Kennedy.....MS66 (MS66)
...Mint set from Wayne Herndon
2....1966 SMS Kennedy....MS66Cam (MS66CA)
3....1965 SMS Kennedy.....MS68Cam (MS67CA) -1
4....1966 SMS Kennedy.....MS65Dcam (MS66CA) -2.5
5....1966 SMS cent...........MS66Cam (MS66) -1.5
6....1966 SMS quarter......MS66Cam (MS64) -4
7....1972D Kennedy........MS67 (MS64) -2.5
8....1970D Kennedy.......MS65 (MS63) -2.5
....Mint set from Mike Dixon
9....1965 SMS Kennedy......MS67Cam (MS66) -2.5
10...1965 Sms Kennedy.....MS66Cam (MS67
poptopruss - #3132144
#1 qty5 2004 P 50c 1-MS65 2-MS66 2-MS67
#2 qty6 2004 D 50c 2-MS65 2-MS66 1-MS67 1-MS68
#3 qty1 1967 SMS 5c MS66CAM
poptopruss, based on my count, you got 6 of the first 10 coins listed correct,
but since I can't tell the order of the coins, I can't score your invoice
consistently with the others. Although I'm sure it's not true, because I
can't associate a specific coin with a specific grade, it's remotely possible
you missed ALL the coins, so I must disqualify you for the contest, but
congratulate you on a nice invoice and good eye. - Don
Looks like a 7 man race. Good luck boys.
again as invoices post.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
I think you can compute my final score now!
We have a winner. BigAl, not only did you pick some very difficult material, you made it look easy. Great score, and great coins. Thanks to all of you who played. You guys all deserve credit for putting your skills on public display, and you all did well. Maybe we can do it again sometime. BigAl, PM me your mailing address and the Lincoln will be on the way in the A.M.
BigAl Score 95.5
Submission# 9019037
Line1: 1885cc Morgan: MS63PL (MS63 PL)
Line2: 1889cc Morgan: F15 (F15)
Line3: 1891cc Morgan: MS61PL (MS63 PL) -2.5 (LOL, I bet you hated being wrong)
Submission# 3129813
Line1: 1878cc Morgan: MS62PL (MS63PL) -1
Line2: 1879.... Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
Line3: 1882cc Morgan: MS64PL (MS63PL) -1
Line4: 1883cc Morgan: MS63 (MS63)
...the coin is PL but i'm guessing screwage.
Line5: 1884cc Morgan: MS64PL (MS64PL)
Edited To Include:
Submission# 9020756
Line2: 1881cc Morgan: MS62 (MS62)
...could very well go 63PL
...gotta have 1 disappointment though.
Line3: 1883cc Morgan: MS64 (MS64)
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
you are the man and the grading machine!!!!!!!! though it's said that Morgans are the easiest coin to grade, it still takes consummate skill to be correct and in agreement with a grading service a high percentage of the time. my hats off to you for some fine coins you've ended up with as well as winning the contest.
al h.
Russ, NCNE
The tricky part to grading these Morgans was in the PL designations. I submitted a few liners, especially the 78, the 83 (that came back 63), the 81, and the 85--which could have gone DMPL.
As for the 91cc (thanks for rubbing it in Don!) yes I dropped the ball on that one, however that coin has a huge rim ding at 12 o’clock on the reverse and I was unsure how pcgs would view that….I felt it was a 62PL, but got nervous and thought PCGS would drop it in a 61 holder….should have gone with the gut, my mistake. At least I now know to Add rather than subtract a point for rim dings!
Don, what a great idea for a cointest, thanks for hosting…enjoyed it very much. Can’t wait to do it again!
Al.
<< <i>Hey Big Al, don't you own a strip club in Peoria!!! >>
I thought it was an electronics store in New Jersey.
Russ, NCNE
al h.
For my pride, I make one note of correction. Invoice 9019186 only had 3 coins sent in on line 4. When I started the invoice, I had 5, and wrote that on the form, thus the two "no grades". What I called coins 2 and 3 showed as coins 4 & 5 on the invoice. But I still lost!
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor