Lincoln Experts - Breen numbers for Double Dies

Trooper

Hi All!!

I would like to finish my short set of PCGS Graded Lincolns. The 4 coins that I'm trying to find are the 1936 Double Die, 1944 Double die, 1943 D/D and the 1944 D/S.
The problem I'm having is that I see some coins graded by Anacs and Ngc that have Breen numbers on the holders, but are unsure if they are the correct designations that will cross over to PCGS.
Why to cross over you might ask? I't just that I'd like to finish the set in PCGS holders.

If any one out there has the correct Breen numbers that are required for the PCGS holders I'd appreciate helpimg me out.

Thanks again and have a safe and Happy New Year.

Tom

jeffnpcb

PCGS probably won't recognize the Breen numbers! It is hard for them to grade and assert they do follow the Breen definitions. It is the same with the FS numbers, as they will only grade and place on the insert what the coin is without any numbers on the slabs.

joeyuk

1936- Breen 2135
1944 -Breen 2174 refers to a 1944-s minor doubled die obv.
1943D/D- Breen 2169
1944D/S- Breen 2177
Except fo the 1944 these numbers were confirmed in cherrypickers' guide.

Trooper

Jeff
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not looking to get the Breen numbers put on the PCGS slabs. But What I'm trying to do is purchase the correct Breen numbered coin from Anacs, NGC, ect. that PCGS will recognize and have slabbed for that date. I realize that there are many Breen numbers for each date and I just want to narrow my searches for the correct one if I see a coin slabbed by another company.

For instance---Sometimes I see a coin in a NGC slab with the correct designation but with the Breen number. I think, is that the correct Breen number to get crossed over? Or is there another Breen number that only PCGS recognizes for the 1936 Double Die?

Thanks
Tom

Trooper

Joe
Bingo!!!!
Thanks a ton. I just ran your reply through the printer and it's taped to the wall.

Thanks!!!!!!

Tom

merz2

I think I have that info.
1936 DDO FS#1-014, LCDDO-1936-01
1944 DDR LCDDR-1944-03
1943 D/D There are no less than 19 different RPM's listed.The main one is Breen 2169 FS#1-019
1944 D/S There are 2 min ones.The same Breen # 2177,is used for both.
You will have to be a little more specific.

Steve

Tom, may I suggest you collect those doubled die Lincoln cents YOU like to collect. (doubled die, NOT double die) PCGS has a list of all coins within the Series 14 that they recognize for slabbing. You can check that on the population report. You will find that the 1944DD is not recognized by PCGS and that the 1944D/S is recognized as a siingle variety, although most of us recognize that coin as either a type 1 or type 2. The type 1 is more valuable. Many of these Lincoln varieties are collected or not collected by mainstream Lincoln collectors. I have the 1944D/S but something like the 1944DD would not interest me because of its very difficult to see doubling. Now, my 1955DD is a doubled die that I'm proud to have in my collection. Bottom line is that you should collect what you want and enjoy and don't worry whether PCGS recognizes the variety or not. Good luck. Steve

joeyuk

Also www.coppercoins.com is a web page maintained by a forum member who is on a break from the forums. He knows alot about cent varieties and has a searchable database with photo's. I hope this link works

Trooper

Don, Steve and Joe.

Thanks again.
Steve, advice will be taken!!!
Tom

coppercoins

None of the slabbing firms have ever been very strong for supporting die variety collecting, but the best of them all would be ANACS. Second on the list for die attribution would be ICG. I would put PCGS on the bottom of the list ONLY with regard to attributing die varieties because they are so far behind the times in this regard.

This is, of course, not even counting PCI or ACG because they - well - just don't count.

You've seen the posts above about how few PCGS recognizes in Lincoln cents - some dozen or so - a ridiculously low number. Even the FS listings show a hundred or so. CONECA lists over 2,000 and the Wexler listing (NCADD) contains closer to 3,000 and that's JUST Lincoln cents. With something to back it up, ICG or ANACS will slab most recognizable die varieties. I figure the Wexler listing is the closest in number of listings total, because we will eventually find that the number of listable, certifiable, collectible, photographable die varieties in the Lincoln cent series will top off just over 3,500 different dies before all is said and done.

RELLA

I'm just guessing here...but think that Trooper might want to look for the 1941 doubled die not the 1944...both for how dramatic the doubling is and for PCGS recognition.

RELLA

Trooper

Rella
Yes you are correct on the 41. That was a typo that I didn't see when I made my orginal post.
Then I read Merz2 post and thought he made the typo refering to the 44.
No more drinking and posting for me!!!!
Thanks All
Tom