davalillo POLL

pc · December 21, 2003 1:05PM

a)silent treatment
b)respond to every post?

Tipem · December 21, 2003 2:01PM

I would vote to ignore this poll but that would not be ignoring it,so I will vote to not vote.I cannot see the value or good that this thread does for the advancement of collecting or anything positive,for that matter.It would be interesting to hear what the intentions were for this poll.Can you give one positive reason for it ?

Thanks,
Vic

Mantlefan · December 21, 2003 2:06PM

I agree with tipem. Let's move on.

PeterAldridge · December 21, 2003 2:14PM

i do not understand what the point is to this? is pc made at davalillo or just trying to get into a fight with him or what?

pc · December 21, 2003 2:17PM

i sign on and all i see is bickering between davalillo
and some pretty respectable people.the guy has sworn to
leave "forever" atleast twice but he persists.if you hadn't
noticed the constant confrontations then this poll isnt for
you.

pc · December 21, 2003 3:07PM

12-0
if a biotech company in a phase 2 trial
had this type of data the fda would end
the trial (poll) early for humanitarian reasons!.

purelyPSA · December 21, 2003 3:12PM

You can't miss the skirmishes on here. However...

I'd say Davalillo is a)enjoys collecting and b)stands behind his posts. So people disagree and arguments start. Hey, it happens, especially when it's a diverse bunch of people who feel strongly about the same thing. Davalillo isn't the problem, it's the people who just antagonize to antagonize. Based on a) and b), I think Jim is not one of those people. Abrasive, yes. But it takes all kinds. People are allowed to disagree. This isn't church.

JMHO

Steve

calleocho · December 21, 2003 3:12PM

davadillo has stopped his comments about PSA managment etc ....at least he has improved there. those comments were out of line given that we are posting on PSA board

he has never been on the modest side and he will definetly never win a charming personality contest, but he is not a bad guy and he cares for our hobby.

PC ...you often write cryptic and double meaning posts that could be taken as confrontational too.

even this poll is confrontational

so relax ..the dow is getting fatter and the holidays are here

Boopotts · December 21, 2003 4:56PM

get a life jerk

acowa · December 21, 2003 9:09PM

Does this mean the board wants to give HIM the silent treatment or respond to each and every one of HIS posts? OR Does it mean we want him to give US the silent treatment (and leave) or respond to each and every one of OUR posts?

Now that he's gone underground in his "crusade to improve PSA" ... I haven't seen him make all that many posts that warranted heated debate...or a poll like this. Have I missed something lately?

I don't think he should be treated any differently than any other board member.

Regards,

Alan

Davalillo · December 21, 2003 9:14PM

Wow--I am honored. I find disagreements about things concerning the hobby much more interesting than most topics discussed here. Just do not like the personal attacks. Or people that attack under assumed names.

Sorry if some of you find a different point of view too much to handle.

Actually, I have a lot of friends in the hobby--collectors and dealers alike--

Merry Christmas to everyone.

Vargha · December 21, 2003 10:30PM

This isn't church.

That would explain why my pastor was so upset with me being here on the boards every Sunday morning.

RayBShotz · December 21, 2003 10:53PM

If the moderator is reading this one my vote would be to have pc banned from the boards.
This thread is needless, childish, and has no place in discussions about PSA cards and the Set Registry.
PSA should remove it immediately and I will email them immediately about my feelings.
Happy Holidays to all.
RayBShotz

Davalillo · December 21, 2003 10:55PM

RayBShotz,

Thank you. I have gotten several e-mails to that effect but you are the first one with enough guts to say it.

Merry Christmas.

Jim

pc · December 21, 2003 11:04PM

i'll delete it
and i think the results
"speak volumes".

23-5 (silent treatment)

RayBShotz · December 21, 2003 11:10PM

Jim,

Thank you. My email has already been sent to PSA.
For the record, Jim and I do not know one another personally and we have never met. I respect all he has done for PSA and our great hobby vicariously through these Message Boards. Like many others here that I have never met, I consider him a friend of sorts; a guy who shares the same passion for cards as us all. Opinions about sets and cards are only that. It's the life's blood of the Message Boards and also of our hobby. We enjoy it so because we can talk about it with our peers and share our collections and our experiences. If we keep it to just that, this will continue to be a place that sources endless enjoyment for all.
Once again; Happy Holidays.

RayB

GlennGaryGlennRoss · December 21, 2003 11:16PM

Quote: This thread is needless, childish, and has no place in discussions about PSA cards and the Set Registry.

But it makes a point.

marty · December 22, 2003 12:10AM

The two choices that you have are (1) every thread ends when davalillo posts or (2) every post that davalillo has several hundred people should respond. I will vote like Richard Pryor, "None Of The Above". Everyone can and should be able to decide if they want to respond to any post that they read. If you want to boycott a board member, do not read any post that they put up.

1420sports · December 22, 2003 12:13AM

RayB - I echo many of your sentiments, but emailing PSA to ban PC is somewhat absurd in my opinion. It looks as if the poll was created to raise a stink and cause a ruckus, but to have someone banned because of it is not the correct thing to do. PC removed the poll, and I am sure PSA would have considered doing the same thing. There are a lot of issues that are posted (some very recently) that obviously make people upset and are written only for that very purpose, or so it seems. It appears that there is a certain collector that obviously has an extensive collection and makes others aware of it. The comments made by this same person on a recent thread was a prime example of his typical posts. I do not know this collector at all and I have never dealt with this collector. Obviously many dealers and collectors have had successful dealings with this person.

However ...
He has belittled others collections, aired dirty laundry, and with the exception of bonus money he has to spend how he should command a fair deal, he rarely brings any insight into the boards. That is his choice, and it has been my choice and a few others not to respond. There is not a reason to respond, as my collecting goals and reasons I read and post on these boards are very different than his and usually the post is centered (or becomes so) around himself and his needs.

I am not trying to raise a stink. I am not pointing fingers either. Heck, there could be collectors out there who feel I do not bring anything worthwhile to the boards or do not have the card knowledge to be a recognized authority. My collection is most likely on par with the average collector on these boards. I put a great deal of effort into my collection. I am passionate and I have fun. I am here to meet new people and to learn - I have accomplished both, and several people I have had the honor to meet and call my friend.

Business dealings should be kept in private. There is not a need to let anyone know of business strategies either. If someone has the power to have dealers constantly check his sets and find cards to fit his needs, so be it. More power to him. But to demand it, inform us of guaranteed repurcussions if he is disobeyed or a dealer lists items on eBay without consulting him first, is ridiculous. And doing so with such a bombastic nature is too much to take for many on this board- at least to a small timer like myself.

GlennGaryGlennRoss · December 22, 2003 12:21AM

Thats 2 minutes for roughing on 1420. Into the penalty box you go.

downgoesfrazier · December 22, 2003 12:25AM

1420,
Awesome Icon, dude! I nee to get me one of the crimson "p" hats from the 70's & early 80's. Where can I get a nice 7 3/8 fitted Phillies cap...I'll try eBay from time to time but the only time I find one a rapper with questionable feedback is selling it...
By the way, go to goodsportsart.com and check out the Goff print "80 Phillies..." It's awesome and a must for any 1980 Phillies fan.
dgf

Basilone · December 22, 2003 12:26AM

Now this is a penalty box:

Vargha · December 22, 2003 12:36AM

Is that "Old Smokey"?

Basilone · December 22, 2003 12:51AM

Actually I took that picture right from my desk at work.....just kidding.

Tipem · December 22, 2003 6:24AM

TTT

dbj77 · December 22, 2003 6:35AM

It's too bad all that money doesn't make someone a good person.....just a dillhole with lots of cards.

Machodoc · December 22, 2003 7:27AM

Dave - It's "Old Sparky". It might smoke after it sparks, but that's another matter....

Vargha · December 22, 2003 7:42AM

D'oh. I knew that. Well there's still a lotta smoke after them cons catch fire, ya know?

JasP24 · December 22, 2003 9:32AM

Here's a little story about good ole pc...

I had the unfortunate opportunity to play fantasy baseball with him this past season...After about a month or so of him "ringing his own bell" about how great his team was, I called him out on it. Next message he posted was daring me to bet him $25,000 that he could beat me in the league. I guess that was his way of showing that with all of his "money & power" he couldnt be beaten in fantasy baseball. After taking him up on his bet, and asking which "Escrow" service he would like to place the funds in, he backed out.

By the time August rolled around, he was fighting for 10th place(in a 10 team league). So what did Mr. PC do? He waived his entire team and quit the league...Last i saw him he was running away with his tail between his legs...

I've held back on saying anything before now, but this guys "high and mighty" attitude and his insistence on attacking other guys on this board is just ridiculous.

He who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw stones...I vote PC Off the island...

JasP24

EOMINT · December 22, 2003 11:06AM

I played fantasy baseball w both JasP and PC and while I didnt agree with PCs decision to quit, I can say that JasP gave a lot a people in the league a hard time and made it less than the enjoyable experience PC probably expected it to be (though I personally like getting riled up in fantasy by my competitors).

Regardless, PC is a class act...I have visited with his family at his home where he graciously hosted me while I was out visiting a friend in LA. He has a wonderful wife and two lovely children, not to mention a great card collection. He is an asset to the hobby and a good friend.

EO

pc · December 22, 2003 11:19AM

thanks Eric.
jaspers half the story,ya,
not worth further comment.
catch you in our league this spring.
peace

koby · December 22, 2003 11:24AM

I have only dealt with PC on a couple of ebay transactions. PC is honest and straightforward. Couldn't ask more from a trading card dealer. (Perhaps Davalillo may even include PC in his top ten dealer list one day.)

As far as Davalillo, his posts used to remind my eleven year old sister when she did not get her way. After my sister does not get her way with one parent she would appeal to the other parent. Davalillo did the same when he could not get support on this forum; he took all of his grievances about PSA and aired them instead on the SGC forum. That was quite a few months ago and upon his return to this forum, the whining has decreased so Davalillo is fine as well.

LloydsBaseballCards · December 22, 2003 11:28AM

PC is the Man, as honest as the day is long

Vargha · December 22, 2003 11:44AM

pc lives in SoCal? Sorry, but only lowlifes live there.

NickM · December 22, 2003 2:55PM

I agree with Vargha.

Nick

koby · December 23, 2003 6:04AM

PC- You are in luck. There might be room for one in Davalillo's stable of dealers who kiss his a**. Jay has just been kicked out because he listed cards on ebay rather than call the great Davalillo so this is your chance. Koby

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