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boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
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A regular issue 1862 half dollar (mintage 550) in proof 65 sells for $5,000+ This 1862 pattern half dollar (mintage 30-40) sells in the $3,000 range and is virtually identical with the exception being the "God Our Trust" motto added to the reverse. Pretty good value IMO. More than 10x rarer and $2,000 cheaperimage
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Very cool specimen - I'd like to own a nice pattern one of these days image
  • SarasotaFrankSarasotaFrank Posts: 1,625 ✭✭
    you read my mind Frank. At some point in time, I would liek to have something along those lines. I just have other collecting fish to fry right now.
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Awesome pattern boiler!image

    By the way the Pattern in my sig is part of a 5 coin set. I picked up the whole set for $400.00 on the bay of "E".image
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • asnovellasnovell Posts: 429 ✭✭✭
    Man they are beautiful coins!!!
    Andy
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've bought 1858 patterns, P65, for 2K. The regular issue would have cost 20K at the time......agree that, relatively speaking, some patterns are a bargain. My icon cost a bit more......image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    The FE pattern is sorely missing from my set, the few IHC patterns I have make my set all the more interesting. That "GOD OUR TRUST" proof pattern sure is sweet.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A regular issue 1862 half dollar (mintage 550) in proof 65 sells for $5,000+ This 1862 pattern half dollar (mintage 30-40) sells in the $3,000 range and is virtually identical with the exception being the "God Our Trust" motto added to the reverse. Pretty good value IMO. More than 10x rarer and $2,000 cheaper

    Hard to argue with that logic. I think I might buy a pattern one of these days. image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This was one of the first I ever bought, a J191, PCGS P65. Got lucky as it had the rare transitional 6 leaf reverse of 1859. I haven't found another one since.

    No, Boiler, you can't have it!image

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    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    THAT COIN IS MY TARGET PATTERN FLYING EAGLE CENT. IF "BOILER" CAN'T HAVE IT, WILL YOU SELL IT TO ME ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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  • NicNic Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The patterns I want are too expensive.image K

    My 1866 Philly Mint Set

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MFH:

    If I did that, it would be MY target coin and Boiler would shoot me (or worse yet, make me find another roomie for the FUN show)imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    How about if I put you up in a suite by yourself... rumor has it that Boiler snores anyway.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you'll do that, I'll let you know my decision the week after FUN.....image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lakes- The 1858 small cent patterns illustrate my point even better but I still need 2 coins and neither one of us needs any more competition for them!image

  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
    MFH - FE patterns are not too hard to come by.

    Mr Eureka - I could teach you a little about patterns, if you have some time.image
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Rick Kay : Don't throw me off the chase... I think that I can swing one - J191 - in PR 63- 64 - 65. That is if Bowers' new Judd Pattern book is fairly acurate in their pricing. I's settle for the J-192, but prefer the
    J-191.

    It very well could be the only pattern cent I'll actively seek in 2004.

    Lakesmmman: If you'll let me know what you'll consider for your J-191, seeing as though you didn't want a suite for the FUN convention, we may have some future dealings...if you really don't want to part with your coin, and I can't blame you, and you have gotten a lead on one for "Boiler" ... think of me if a second one becomes available.

    Lakesmmman: Pushkin mentioned that you have a very nice collection of pattern Flyers. Are you selling any other duplicates ?

    Have a wonderful holiday everyone, if I don't get back to you immediately...Mike
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same for the proof $20 patterns, many are less $ than what the "regular" issue proofs go for.
    Newman Numismatic Portal, www.NewmanPortal.org
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike- I already have a J 191 so I am really not interested in Lakes coin. I am only doing a 12 piece set of 1858 small cent patterns. Lakesammman is doing all of the varieties which is much more challenging. The coin he posted is the rare 6 leaf reverse variety J 191 (Pollock 234) my coin has the more common 5 leaf reverse.

    If you are serious about buying a flying eagle pattern J191/J192/J193 then Rick is your guy. He will find one for you he is very persistent
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    Good luck,
    Mark
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Great coin... Congrats!image

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Mark for the "head's up" on Rick and his pattern flyers. Okay, Rick, "what-da-ya-got" ???
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MFH - Sorry, I don't tend to have duplicates. As noted by Boiler, I've been trying to do all the sub-varieties. For instance, there are 4 J208's. Unfortunately, with the popularity of patterns now, even the easy ones are hard to find. My advice would be, if offered one that's even close to acceptable, buy it and trade up later. Nice ones just aren't coming available very often, in spite of what Kay says.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Rick, I'll keep my eyes peeled... I have a few IHC patterns, a J208, J228 and J299. None of which need upgrading, but I have not seen the J191 around. - Mike
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike:

    Can you post a pic of the J208??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭
    Boiler 78

    I say patterns are too expensive.Either its you or John Hamrick outbidding me.And if Newmismatist wants one none of us get a chance at it.If Andy Lustig wants it ....its all over for us

    Stewart
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stewart:

    Forgot about Newmismatist - your right - it's all over!image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stewart- I haven't forgotten about Newmismatist. In fact I am surprised he hasn't showed up yet.image
    Between the four of us (You/ Lakes/ Newmismatist and myself) we have sure made a lot of consignors happy! The whole time glaring at each other from across the auction floor. Aint it fun?image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Andy Lustig wants it ....its all over for us

    That's unfortunate, because I WANT IT ALL!!! image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
    Mike (MFH) - If you are going to FUN, stop by my table (941). Rick
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

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  • RobgettyRobgetty Posts: 1,112
    Patterns ARE expensive. Maybe they are cheaper than other high price coins
    relatively, but $3,000 is still a lot to be using as an example of a "cheap" coin.
    I have only spent $3,000 on a coin once, and I am still trying to let my budget
    recover. I would love to add a pattern to my collection, but I can't handle 4
    figures.
    Robert Getty - Lifetime project to complete the finest collection of 1872 dated coins.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    $3,000 is too expensive for me. Got anything for around $200?
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These usually go for under $50. Foreign patterns ARE cheap and beautiful. US Patterns are not cheap in comparison but ARE cheap when considering how rare they are and they are a LOT cheaper than the regular mint proofs in $20 gold issues of the 19th century.


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  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Mark for the "head's up" on Rick and his pattern flyers. Okay, Rick, "what-da-ya-got" ???

    Sorry. Didn't see this before. I have several large FEs from 1854 and 1855. I have a 204. I MAY have a 191, but have to check tomorrow. Boiler is right, that I will find one, if you want one.
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Robgetty/Placid: There are US patterns that go for under $3000. I noted that RKKay's website has a few under $3k and even a couple under $2k. With some persistence you can find some closer to the $1K price range but they are indeed getting tougher.

    But don't let your budget stop you!

    There are other ways to collect patterns and yet stick within your budget. Buy the old books! Buy the Adams-Woodlin, Judd ( 7 versions) and Pollack books! They easily fit within the $200 budget and I daresay any collector who brings a Adams-Woodlin book with him to any show will get as many inquiries and open jaws as the owner of the finest of the $4 Stellas!!!

    There are so many ways to collect patterns!
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oreville- That UK piece isn't actually a pattern coin. Modern replica or unofficial pattern would be a better description. If that was a real proof pattern soverign it would easily be a five figure coin.

    That being said, these are very well made and make for an interesting and inexpensive presentation.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Mark what ever happened with this one?

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    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bill- I don't have it! I thought you had it? image
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Dang it's gone, now I don't know who has itimage
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Hi Rick,
    Sorry I didn't answer right away. I won't be able to get to the FUN sale. Let me know about the J-191, if you have it.

    Hi Mark,
    I wish I could post my J208, its in an NGC holder, PR 63, which I won at a Teletrade auction in March, 1999.
    I bid fairly heavy at that time, but I think its a beauty.

    Everyone,

    Happy Holidays

    Mike Hayes
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭
    Mike - Can you turn on your PM? Thanks. Rick
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Rick,............. am a bit embarrassed....what's a PM ?image
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    If you mean "Private Message", I don't know how to turn it on...sorry
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Go to "profile" and activate "allow private messages".
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Will do
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Done, clicked on "allow private messages"...

    where do I go from here ?
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

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