Leaving for a while...

coppercoins

I wanted to let those interested in contacting me regarding the site, Lincoln information, or otherwise know that I am taking an extended break from here - I will not be reading or posting here for a while, I'm tired of some of the attitudes and need to get away. I may or may not return, just depends on what my mood is in January, February when I consider whether I'll be back. Right now is not a good time for me to decide because I know what the answer would be and I don't want to commit.

Anyhow, my e-mail address is in my sig line, feel free to contact me.

Have a Happy Holiday Season!

EVillageProwler

Charles,

Hope you have a very merry!

EVP

Dollars

Although we have never talked directly, I have enjoyed your stories and insight.

Thankyou for you knowledge and informaton.

Happy Holidays

Russ

Is this the second or third time?

After the attacks you leveled in the thread about the MS67RD Lincoln, inferring that anybody who submits and sells high grade coins is a ripoff artist, you don't have much room to be talking about "some of the attitudes".

Russ, NCNE

fivecents

C.D..........The different opinions and attitudes are what makes this message board interesting. So come on.......Deal with the heat and stay in the kitchen.

CalGold

Sorry to see you go. It is always a loss when a knowledgable board member who so generously shares their expertise leaves.

As far as attitude goes, Russ, the issue of high priced super gem lincolns and other post-WW II coins has sparked heated debate and intemperate words among many members of this forum, including many of the most knowledgeable.

Experts with attitude are more valuable here than know-nothings who spout plattitudes.

CG

Russ

<< <i>As far as attitude goes, Russ, the issue of high priced super gem lincolns and other post-WW II coins has sparked heated debate and intemperate words among many members of this forum, including many of the most knowledgeable.

Experts with attitude are more valuable here than know-nothings who spout plattitudes. >>



CG,

I completely agree, but that has nothing to do with my point. One cannot grouse about "attitudes" when one is a major contributor to that perceived "attitude" issue, and yet expect to maintain credibility in the complaint. It rings hollow.

There is absolutely no question that Coppercoins has contributed greatly to the knowledge base at this forum, but the fact is that this is not the first time this has been his reaction to a heated debate. Either don't engage in them, or stick around and stand one's ground.

Russ, NCNE

coppercoins

<< <i>Is this the second or third time?

After the attacks you leveled in the thread about the MS67RD Lincoln, inferring that anybody who submits and sells high grade coins is a ripoff artist, you don't have much room to be talking about "some of the attitudes".

Russ, NCNE >>



And does it matter if it's the fifteenth time???

Go back and read the thread from the beginning and tell me who pulled the first punch. YOU don't read everything, thus YOU don't have ANY room to bake me over the issue. I inferred nothing. I said I - get it? - I, as in me, myself, and I - cannot see it as honest to do this sort of thing. I was answering for me - not for you or anyone else. I personally see the high grade slabbing game as a HUGE waste....but that's me. Can I not have an opinion that differs from yours, oh Royal Accent Hair?? This is the attitude that pisses me off - if it's different from yours, or if it's not in the better interest of the PCGS monster, then it's bashing and it's wrong. GROW UP!!!

coppercoins

and it isn't a matter of 'standing one's ground.' I have problems to take care of, and I have issues to deal with. I usually come here to help me deal with my issues. I state one simple thing in the morning, then check back in the afternoon to find people bashing my head in over a simple statement.

I'm not here to CAUSE trouble, I'm here to get away from them. Now that there's no point in coming here to relieve stress, I may as well not bother at all. Thanks...I'll find something else to do.

Russ

<< <i>YOU don't read everything, thus YOU don't have ANY room to bake me over the issue. >>



Actually, I read every word of the thread.



<< <i>I inferred nothing. >>



Four separate times you stated you don't submit because you refuse to "rip collectors off". I'd suggest you look up the word "infer".



<< <i>GROW UP!!! >>



That's rich coming from somebody who just announced he's taking his ball and going home.

Russ, NCNE

coppercoins

<< <i>That's rich coming from somebody who just announced he's taking his ball and going home.

Russ, NCNE >>



never mind...I'm gone.

anoldgoat

I do not follow this board very closely but I have visited your site and will continue to. I hope all is well and that your expertise will continue to grace these these boards.

Mike

Russ

<< <i>and tried to commit suicide two weeks ago...and am finally starting to be a part of the world again. Sometimes your crap is just a little petty. I have major serious problems going on, and you like to add kindling to the fire. Why don't you just leave me the hell alone??? >>



coppercoins,

This is the first I've heard of any of this. If it is true, than I think you need to be doing more than seeking relief at an internet forum. I genuinely wish you the best in solving your problems but, to be brutally honest, this is not the place to attempt it.

Russ, NCNE

razorface1027

C.D.D. enjoy your hiatus. Happy and safe holidays to you and your's...

coppercoins

<< <i>

<< <i>and tried to commit suicide two weeks ago...and am finally starting to be a part of the world again. Sometimes your crap is just a little petty. I have major serious problems going on, and you like to add kindling to the fire. Why don't you just leave me the hell alone??? >>



coppercoins,

This is the first I've heard of any of this. If it is true, than I think you need to be doing more than seeking relief at an internet forum. I genuinely wish you the best in solving your problems but, to be brutally honest, this is not the place to attempt it.

Russ, NCNE >>



I've calmed down enough to reply.

I never said I was trying to use this place to cure my problems. It was actually almost four weeks ago, but I'm not counting. I don't really care and didn't mean to blurt it out. This was - WAS - a place where I could be a part, feel somewhat safe, be considered a normal part of something. Now that I know for sure I can be easily taken completely out of context here too, nothing else is certain. I never meant anyone any harm, and am not accusing anyone of anything. It is not within my ability to practice business in a manner that would allow me to use slabbing in the manner some others here do. That doesn't mean it's wrong for them, it's wrong for me. That's all I said. To me it would be me robbing other collectors, and I cannot do that. I don't believe in slabbing, I don't like slabbing, and I cannot see any purpose in it OTHER than to squash little collectors and make certain people rich. Take it as accusatory, but that's not how it's meant. What I really don't need is instability here. I made a simple statement, and was taken completely out of context and backed against the wall...I stand by what I say, but feel no need to let you (Russ) or anyone else here make an instable situation worse.

I am on meds, I am starting to get somewhat better, and am starting to see some glimmer of a purpose in life. I started work again a week ago, and finished my finals for school...life is getting somewhat better. Coming here WAS enjoyable, and it WAS a way for me to get some release from the pressures around me - the doctor says that's good for me...it's just not fun arguing with people who are dead set on being right for the whole damn world...everyone has their own right and wrong, I stated what mine are regarding this subject. You don't agree with it, so that makes ME wrong?? I don't think I'm the one who needs to grow up here, and I never said I was taking any ball someplace else to play. What I did say is that I don't need your $hit, Russ....that's what I said. I also said to leave me the hell alone, can you not respect people's wishes? I had nothing against you, I have a hard time understanding why you think you need to push me. You took the whole thing out of context, just accept it if you can. I called nobody a thief, I didn't say what anyone else does is wrong. I said it would be wrong for ME. Get over it.

As for the rest of you, I accept your well wishes and wish you the same. I mean nothing but the best for everyone here, I just have a different set of values than some, and I guess they don't think anyone is right unless everyone plays by their value rules. I cannot be bugged by this mentality right now...Like I said, I'll get my space and THEN i MIGHT be back. I never shouted that I was leaving for good, I never said goodbye cruel world...I said I'm leaving for a while. Period.

EVillageProwler

I'd suggest you look up the word "infer".

This may be OT, but don't we want to use "imply" instead of "infer"?

As for all the rest, I'd like to suggest to everyone -- not directing this to anyone in particular -- that we all cut each other some slack. It shouldn't always be about being right or winning an argument. Sometimes, it should be about what is appropriate. Sometimes, it should better to be demure and to defer to someone else -- just because it'll make that person feel better.

Sometimes, just sometimes, it should be more about the other person than about ourselves.

Seriously, folks: HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!

EVP

Dollars

I have learned that sometimes life is a draw...

No one wins............

jbsteven

like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our lives


I feel so at home here.

baccaruda

It's good to step away for a while. My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity. Puts things in perspective sometimes - and that's good.

When I was shopping for a stereo I was reading a consumer chat board talking about speakers. For fun someone found the most expensive speakers reviewed - like $125,000 for a pair. Sure enough, some people piped up about what a great value these $125,000 speakers were and how they blew away the $300/pair set that was being discussed. As an outsider it's easy to see how out-of-touch these people were.

Any outsider reading these boards would also realize how out-of-touch a person was who, instead of buying a coin in GREAT condition for $50 would sooner spend $5,000 for one in microscopically better condition (or even worse, one that just had a better piece of paper stuck in the plastic with it). A tiny, tiny fraction of the population finds this normal - and most are on these boards.

BigE

baccaruda, now that you put it that way I do seem pretty weird to me------------------BigE

razorface1027

like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our lives[/

Yer NUTZ jb...lmao..I knew I saw you in Port Charles...

baccaruda

The best advice on my collection comes from my girlfriend - who couldn't care less about coins. I come home and say "Look at this awesome nickel I practically stole for $10". She says "You spent $10 for a nickel?". Hmm, she's got a point there.

techeff

Good luck CC.

SDCollector

<< <i>I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity. >>


Baccaruda, thank you for one of the funniest lines I have ever read on these boards!

JRocco

Two obviously very strong men bashing horns. Hey guys - step back for minute, call a truce, and let us collectors hear both your opinions.

cladking

I truly hope Coppercoins knows how valued he is here.

I read the thread that he finds so bad and can certainly understand his chagrin. While
he has bashed moderns and high grades on occassion, he had never done it in a mean-
spirited way. He has used logic to make his points even though I've not always agreed
with all his points.

Coppercoins also has done a lot of great work in varieties of Lincoln cents and has an ex-
tensive knowledge of errors and the minting process. These areas are likely to experience
tremendous growth in the future so even if he learns no more his importance here can only
increase.

I don't really blame anyone here but one has to believe it would be helpful for people to not
remark about the great gold they could have for the same price as some "common" coin. It
would be helpful if we didn't take things personally as much as possible and that we all con-
sider how our words might affect someone who loves the coins we are about to slam. It
would be helpful if we try to stay on topic so we'll at least all be on the same page.

puff

<< <i>Two obviously very strong men bashing horns. Hey guys - step back for minute, call a truce, and let us collectors hear both your opinions. >>

LUCKOFTHEIRISH

How about an old fashioned DUEL to settle things.

wondercoin

Charles: Honestly, I do believe you should stick around and I also believe you should truly attempt to slab a 53(d) Lincoln in PCGS-MS67RD as well. NOT TO SELL FOR $4,000 - IN FACT, HOLD AN AUCTION WITH IT AND DONATE THE PROCEEDS OF THE AUCTION TO YOUR FAVORITE CHARITY.

I believe you essentially made a point that it was lunacy to pay $4,000 for a 53(d) Lincoln cent because they simply were not that difficult to slab. RELLA challenged the premise. The bottom line is let's make "lemonade" out of the situation - please try to slab a 53(d) Lincoln or any other pop 7 Lincoln to show how easy it really is. If you do, RELLA and several others will be shocked and might even owe you an apology. On the other hand, perhaps you might get a new deeper understanding of this segment of the Lincoln market after your attempt. Either way - it is "win, win".

I have often seen ebay sellers come on here defending their ebay offerings and voicing resentment at a forum member attacking their ebay coin while an auction was pending. I HAD NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH YOUR POST. Again, let make this a true learning experience all the way around. Stick around, take a stab at slabbing a pop 8/0 Lincoln from the 1950's and perhaps do so and raise $4,000 for charity

Wondercoin

KAJ1

I wish I knew 1/2 of what coppercoins knows about Lincolns.

jacktheknife

Mitch,
Very nicely stated. I think that is a good idea. I know for one that I have softened (just a bit) on my opinion that the later date wheats will increase in pop and decrease in price. This, of course, is after trying to make a few myself, without much success I might add. I think the Philadelphia mint, in particular, just made a poor product during the late forties and early to mid fifties. Dont' get me wrong, I do think PCGS will continue to grade a few 67's, just not in the numbers I had thought 8 months ago. Finding true 67's in rolls or 2X2's from old collections is not an easy task.

Now that I have said that, don't ask me why I didn't bid on your 53-D.
JKC

baccaruda

I think Copper said he'd seen many 53d's in similar condition, not that he'd seen many 67RD PCGS slabs. 2 totally different things.

ElectricEye

coppercoins

I went through two rolls a couple of years ago, and many of the coins in the rolls looked like they were minted yesterday, had nice strikes, and didn't show a flaw in the fields...only a minor tick mark here and there on the cheek, coat, or a wheat stalk. These coins grade 66 by ANA standards, but at times might pass for 67 in the PCGS standard. I found half a dozen RPMs in the rolls and put the rest back together and sold them on eBay for ASK. I no longer have the coins, and am not going to go out trying to buy rolls to replace the coins that I sold.

If....and that's IF...I find a 1950s wheat in a roll search over the next few months that would pass for 67 by PCGS standards, I will contact someone here who knows and understands the slab submission thing and "making" coins - because I don't know how to submit them, nor do I want to know how. If someone else here would take care of having that part done, I would do it just to prove that 67 coins aren't like hen's teeth...if you look through enough rolls from reputable sources, they are bound to show up. I've seen a number of them in the thousands of rolls I've been through in the past. While they are somwehat scarce, they are NOT very rare, and to me - I SAID "TO ME" - they aren't worth the silly cash people are paying for them.

End of story - move along, nothing to see here. I'm going to bed, logging off, and am not coming back for a while. Once again, as I said in my original post here, I will be checking email at least twice a day, just email me if you want to keep any dialog open. I have better things to do that pour salt into open wounds around here.

clackamas

>>If such a coin then gets sent to PCGS and PCGS recognizes such perfection, such coins then may come into the hands of those >>collectors who say that I have now in my possession, and am able to gaze upon whenever I want, the coin that at one point of >>human history passed before the eyes of the toughest, most exacting and demanding appraisers in numismatics, and was >>crowned king and canonized before flashing bulbs and cheering throngs.

>>"Even if that isn't everybody's cup of tea, isn't that kind of cool?"

Yes it is!

Honestly I think David Poole won the argument. David are you a writer?

FrattLaw

<< <i>the coin that at one point of >>human history passed before the eyes of the toughest, most exacting and demanding appraisers in numismatics, and was >>crowned king and canonized before flashing bulbs and cheering throngs. >>



Oh c'mon, what utter bullsh*t!

Go look at this coin and tell me it was crowned by the gods at PCGS--- 1963-D PCGS MS66 Nickel

I wonder if Mitch will sell this one without a picture as well.

Michael

ElectricEye

<< <i>Go look at this coin and tell me it was crowned by the gods at PCGS >>



I don't know about that, but it certainly looks like it was knighted a few times by someone else...

zep

It is interesting to see how these small metal discs can evoke such emotion. Not new but interesting because if you trace the history of U.S. coin collecting it is full of contentiousness. Check out some the late 19th and early 20th century goings-on in our hobby-market-business and you will see that the more things change the more they seem the same. While there are many pleasurable aspects to coin collecting there are also some brutal competitve moments as well.

Baley

Any outsider reading these boards would also realize how out-of-touch a person was who, instead of buying a coin in GREAT condition for $50 would sooner spend $5,000 for one in microscopically better condition (or even worse, one that just had a better piece of paper stuck in the plastic with it).

Some insiders reading these boards realize it, too.

jonesy

I wish you luck coppercoins!! You are a wealth of knowledge needed here!!