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LloydLloyd Posts: 887 ✭
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I've come across the following coin. Referring to the Krause 19th Century 3rd Edition, Page 249, item 247+++. Is this the same coin?

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Thanks in Advance.

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  • tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    My '96 catalog lists this Kwangtung 7.2 candareens (10 cents) coin as Y-200.
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  • satootokosatootoko Posts: 2,720 ✭
    In the image30th it is listed as Y#200, ND (1890-1908), 2.7g .8200 silver, ASW .0712 oz., denomination equivalent to 10¢. F $2, VF $4, XF $6, Unc $15. Nice find Lloyd, the scan certainly looks AU at least.image
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  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    That coin's Cantonese, not Taiwanese. It sure looks nice, though.
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  • LloydLloyd Posts: 887 ✭


    << <i>That coin's Cantonese, not Taiwanese. It sure looks nice, though. >>



    Shiro... what do you mean? it's under Taiwan in the krause.... apparently it has made in Taiwan written on it..... (or made in Tai Province)

    By the way I have another also - they were wrapped up with some Japanese coins in an auction lot.

    I looked on Ebay and there are two listed. both at $1300 but I really doubt one of the sellers.

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  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    If you look on top of the left image, it says (reading from right to left) "made in Canton."
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  • historygeekhistorygeek Posts: 792
    Actually it says Guangdong, if it said "Guangzhou" it would be Canton.


    And this is not the Taiwan issue.
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, this is Guangdong. It says so in the middle and across the top. It is most certainly NOT from Taiwan.
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    Oops, it is indeed an East Guong and not a West Guong.
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    History Geek is right. The city of Guangzhou is Canton. Guangdong (East Guang) and Guangxi (West Guang) are the names of provinces. Guangzhou is in Guangdong.
  • historygeekhistorygeek Posts: 792
    But if you literally translate Guangzhou to English it means "vast state". image So some members might have been confused by that.


    On a side note, the names of many Chinese provinces, cities and personal names have a actual meaning. For example, Shanghai means "by the sea".
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  • spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭
    I wish I knew Chinese image it's a cool language

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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Beijing = Northern Capital
    Nanjing = Southern Captial
    Tianjin = Heavenly Port
    Hong Kong = Fragrant Harbor (really!)
    Xinjiang = New Frontier
    Tianshan = Heavenly Mountains
    Taishan = Big Mountain
    Shandong = East of the mountain
    Liaodong = East of the Liao River

    You can do literal translations for all Chines place names but I don't think all of them really carry those literal meanings in Chinese. In some cases Chinese characters are used to transliterate non-Chinese places names in places like Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, and Xinjiang.



  • tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    Here's a few helpful suffixes (there are also other alternative spellings):
    xi (si)= west ; ex. Shansi
    tong (tung, dong)= east ; ex. Kwangtung
    bei (pei)= north ; ex. Hopei
    nan = south ; ex. Yunnan
    Any corrections welcome.
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  • canadiancoinguycanadiancoinguy Posts: 405
    south could also be "nam" as in Vietnam
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    The character for south is "nan" in Mandarin but in Vietnamese, Korean, and I think Cantonese, it is "nam".
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    But if you literally translate Guangzhou to English it means "vast state".

    Reading it in Japanese, I understand the literal meaning as "Made in Wide East Province."
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Wide, vast, who can tell anymore? I like "broad" myself.
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    You haven't been feeling very PC lately, have you?
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  • historygeekhistorygeek Posts: 792
    PC?
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    post-constructivist.
  • LloydLloyd Posts: 887 ✭
    Well I'm glad we cleared that up image
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