What happened to 1975 Topps?
Wabittwax
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I guess most of the bigger 1975 Topps guys are done with there sets. I got to watch my latest 1975 submission take a beating on Ebay. Here is a link if anyone is interested in seeing the results:
Ebay Link
Any thoughts? Is the market soft on these too or is it a bad time of the year. I've never had selling problems in December but maybe this year is different.
The biggest ones that shocked me was the Schmidt PSA 8 close for $27 and the Larry Christenson didn't even retrieve grading fees! The Schmidt usually goes about double that and the Christenson at least used to be a tough card to find in 8 or higher. I figured I would share these results with you guys to get your opinion on the 1975 market.
Ebay Link
Any thoughts? Is the market soft on these too or is it a bad time of the year. I've never had selling problems in December but maybe this year is different.
The biggest ones that shocked me was the Schmidt PSA 8 close for $27 and the Larry Christenson didn't even retrieve grading fees! The Schmidt usually goes about double that and the Christenson at least used to be a tough card to find in 8 or higher. I figured I would share these results with you guys to get your opinion on the 1975 market.
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It is a really great time to be a buyer of 70's 8's. If your on the ball you can pick them up all day long for anywhere between $2 and $6 each. Is this a bargain for the card?; perhaps not but if your intent is to build graded, certified and authentic 70's sets ebay prices in this range sure beats submitting on these if PSA 8 is your goal. After all NRMT/MT cards are really nice cards! As new collectors filter into the 70's game in the coming years strength will gather.
Sorry to hear about your auctions Wabbit
RayBShotz
Please email me on a few 8's that didn't sell.
emards4457@msn.com
Thanks
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
RayBShotz
I started watching 75's last February, and this is the first JUAN BENIQUEZ offered in 8 or higher. Although the pop report says there are
(16) 8's and (3) 9's, but bidders are treating this card as if it were much scarcer because in the ebay universe it's the only one.
Another Red Sox Terry Hughes #612 [(14) 8's & (5) 9's] used to be thought of as hard to find. Since Feb. four eights have sold for $105.00, $87.00, $28.98, and finally $9.21.
Timing is everything on ebay. The next Beniquez PSA 8 won't touch $30.
Look at the bright side you made money on all of your nines. There hasn't been a 70's special in awhile so the supply of graded cards in dealer inventory might be dropping, but I don't see eights being any more than a break even propostion. There are alot of 1975 sets listed on the registry but not many are actively being upgraded.
I was watching the Beniquez with interest as I have one in my that I wouldn't mind parting with for $50. It's the last card ANFLPRO needs, so he's motivated. Stump must really need it, too. I was thinking of putting mine up with a $45 BIN and seeing if someone bites, but that's kind of one step to the left of gouging.
2005 Origins Old Judge Brown #/20 and Black 1/1s, 2000 Ultimate Victory Gold #/25
2004 UD Legends Bake McBride autos & parallels, and 1974 Topps #601 PSA 9
Rare Grady Sizemore parallels, printing plates, autographs
Nothing on ebay
One positive of 1975 set is its condition sensitivity, that attracts collectors in seeking a challenge, but a drawback is I think they are ugly cards, which is why I probably wouldn't be interested in collecting them.
The 1970s set I am interested in collecting is the 1972 set, but I haven't finished my 1959 set yet. But the time is ripe to start picking up those 1972s now.
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Jim
1. Do you have any 70s sets (other than Kelloggs) that you are putting together out of your legions of sets, and
2. If so, why choose those? And if not, do you plan on ever doing any?
I have all 70s topps sets in nrmt-mt ungraded except for stars and lots of specialty sets as well from the 70s--for that matter I have all 80s sets.
Before I had these graded there are probably 100 or so other sets I have that I would have graded first including all my football sets from the 60s, all the baseball specialty sets from the 60s(6 Kahns sets among them), the basketball sets from the 70s, some miscellaneous non-sports sets like 48 Leaf Boxing and Sports Oddities and I also have lots of non-sports sets from the 50s and 60s. Its possible I could do 1971 before that though. Submitting a dozen or so sets at year-end for grading.
What I am thinking of doing is having someone take my 71 set--submit all cards he thinks are 8s or better(should be most) and just build it out in 8 or better for me. Building these large sets while you are doing 100 other ones is too much.
Jim
Jeff
All Help Is Needed And Apprciated!
You know as well as anyone how these things go in cycles. Here's what you do: decide to build a graded 1975 set and join the bidding...suddenly they'll be hotter than a freakin' firecracker!
Jim,
Yes, there are trillions of 70's cards in nm/mt...even a fair amount in mint condition. To find clean, sharp, centered, high-end mint and gem mint copies is another matter entirely. I've said this before: I found building 53's and 57's in NM far easier than building 77's in 9+. Both the quality of the products and the sheer size of the issue make these sets extremely demanding.
You may get emails all of the time from people looking to sell you already graded or high-end raw cards for your sets, but the 70's guy (post 75 in particular) has to pony up for unopened product (it ain't cheap)--no emails for us--we have to FIND our own cards...every stinkin' one of them-- and do all the same dealer networking that you do--only to find that there are just some cards that you never, ever find the way you want 'em. I thought building a 70's graded set would be a hoot. A quick, easy, fun project that would take a couple of years...WRONG! 75's might be different as there are many more graded examples out there but when you're building a set alone on your island--no dealers helping you, no collectors trading unique numbers, etc.-- with one psycho-bidder who loves the Red Sox breathing down your neck everytime a unique number hits eBay, It's harder than you think. I'd be curious just how NM/MT some of your 70's cards are. Got a dead-centered clean '76 Luzinski layin' around? How 'bout a '77 Ken Brett that'll 9?...I didn't think so. Here's an offer for you...Find centered, clean, sharp copies of Ken Brett and Richie Zisk from '77. Grade 'em. Get your 9. I'll pay you 300 bucks for the pair if they meet the standards of my set. You have a year to complete the deal. The only rub is they have to meet the standards of my set. If you want to take on the challenge, email me and I'll tell you to the PIXEL what those standards are. You probably have twenty copies laying around that'll make it so let's both have a Merry Christmas...I won't hold my breath in the chimney.
dgf
I would love to know how much money you have sunk into that 1977 set of yours......
Email on the Beniquez 601.
djj99@aol.com
Dave Jacobs
After all the dust has settled thus far (selling dupes, etc.) under 5k...or about the grading fees. One collector I'm aware of has well over 10k into his in just under three months and is only 1/2 way there--and purchased exclusively on eBay. The difference is I cherry pick the bulk of my cards over a period of years and submit them myself through different sources. I do buy on eBay, but my retention of that type of quality is less than 25%. I had an advantage of making a couple of huge vending purchases early that really panned out and got me hooked up with good cases so luck certainly played a significant part. Curious, why would you "love to know" this, anyway? Interested in building it? I actually learned how to get money out of the set from watching Gator track down case #'s and networking with folks who might be interested in doing the '81 set. I look at the registry and otherwise and see hundreds of my duplicates filling those collections. I've got something in the works right now that will bring my input numbers down again...considerably.
...Now back to the 1975 Topps thread...
dgf
<< <i>Curious, why would you "love to know" this, anyway? >>
I thought it would be much more considering all of the raw you purchased over the years. I am under the assumption that you are collecting this set to keep so I was just wondering what type of investment it would take to compile the set that you have considering your standards.
Nothing more than that.
John
I can see the pops of this set in 8's and 9's going sky high in the next couple of years.
When more collectors see that the prices have started to come down in this year, maybe they will have the desire to start collecting the set.
The old theory that supply and demand dictate prices works very well here.
Check out my ebay auctions listed under seller ID: jeej
Understood. I basically started accumulating raw before the price jumped considerably and when I have obtained it since I have had the opportunity to go through large quantities at local card shops and with the help of a couple of higher-profile dealers who I'm friendly with. These folks have been HUGE in getting me the best of vending cases both before and AFTER they submit them. The 10's are the scariest thing for me. I get all excited and sick at the same time when I see the pop rise. I have found a very high percentage of them overgraded. So when I plunk a hundred bucks down for Joey Bagodonuts I want to be sure the card is worthy. I've had some grizzly 10's and some head-scratcher 9's. Three times I've turned 8's into 10's...a scary fact. That's what makes spending scary on this set. Other than that the only scary thing is Jeff's willingness to run up CC bills. The population just went nuts today as a matter of fact. It's unlikely that someone had 18 "legit" 10's on a 60 card submission, possible, but very unlikely. That's what they got, however. That's the grader I want. Now to try to pry one or two worthy copies away...
dgf
Offer was legit. LMK if you want to take the challenge. I'd LOVE to lose this one!
dgf
I understand. Sorry--no time or interest in doing this.
Good luck on your set.
Jim