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Need a little help from the VAM guys

Got some grades back today from ANACS and while I'm pleased with most of the lot there are two that have me at a loss.

Morgan dollar 1884 O/O in MS62 VAM-21
Morgan dollar 1899 S in MS61 VAM-7 DBL DT (says top 100 on slab)

I purchased these raw and was only aware of the O/O when I submited them.

Any help, info, value, etc. would be much appreciated.

TIA
"Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff

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    << <i>"Doubled Date". Both "9's" show strong doubling above the numerals and to the right. A better date, but not a rare variety >>



    From vamlink.com on the 1899S - that's pretty neat anyway image
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    1884 o
    vam 21 (very far date,o/o curved)
    reverse O mint mark repunched with original showing as a raised curved line in middle of opening

    1899 s (doubled 1-99)
    vam 7 Obv doubled 1-99 in date. 1 is doubled below upper serif. First and second nineboth strongly doubled, shifted right and show as spot to right of lower loop end, verticle curved line on left side of upper loop opening and horizontal curved line at top of outside.
    Rarity of 5

    Can't give a price, but nice grab
    Tom
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    Thanks guys.

    Yep, that's a perfect description of the double date. The 1 and both 9s are seriously doubled, can't believe I didn't catch that before I submitted it.

    On the O/O I can't seem to find any others in 84, 82 seems to be the standard year for those.

    Values sure are hard to come up with, but it will make for an interesting evening of searching out VAMs on the net. image
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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    GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    Your '99-S, Vam7 trades around $250 in 61, not much premium over a common '99-S.

    The 84-O/O, Vam21 is an R3 coin and probably won't get you a premium over any other 84-O of the same grade. FYI - '84 is replete with O/O mintmarks (Vams 3,6 thru 17, 21, 21A, 22, 25, 29 & 30 and a couple others).
    Gilbert
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Deadhorse:

    The 1899-S VAM 7 is a nice one. First, the date itself is solid and has made a nice gain in value this year. Second, the doubling on the date is strong enough that, eventually, I would not be surprised if even PCGS were to start recognizing it on its holders.
    When in doubt, don't.

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