73-topps candy lid (bench) grade weight input needed

speeder

hi, lee spies here
i would like input from experienced psa collectors on what an appropriate " grade weight " would be for this item.
I recently had this item graded and added to the bench master set, it just showed up online with a grade weight of 1 (one). I emailed gayle and
asked her what criteria was used to determine grade weight, also, i told her i honestly felt a grade of 1 seemed awfully low considering its availability
in grading condition and being 30 yrs old.
gayle e`d me back today and told me she informed the president of psa about the question`s i put forth. well it seems he would like to know what i
would grade this item at, then it`s grade may or may not change.
i have an idea what grade i would suggest, but it would not seem right considering i`m the only one to have this item graded (so far) on the master set
this item is also the hightest graded lid of bench so far (cert#30571979) psa-6 (no qualifier)
not to mention (but i will) the other collectors of bench etc..... who i`m quite sure have more knowledge on such things.
please, i would like all bench collectors (at least) and beyond to help make this a combined effort. thank you very much, lee spies

Virtualizard

Lee,

That's a great question. Unfortunately, I can't answer it for you. Personally, I would weight it higher than 1. As a player set collector, I feel your pain. I have requested many cards to be added to the Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, and Rod Carew sets. I originally suggested weighting each time I made a request, but it always seemed to fall on deaf ears. Every card I ever add to a set ends up having a grade weight of 1. The most glaring example of this, and I think this can be said of any player set, is the O-Pee-Chee cards. Across the board these cards have a lower weight than the Topps version, although they are much harder to find in high grade (raw or graded).

In PSA's defense, these cards are infrequently graded (much like your candy lid example). Over time, as more cards are graded, maybe a massive overhaul of the grade weighting of player sets will be in order, but I don't think that PSA is willing to do so just yet.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, but I believe this to be the case.

JEB.

speeder

thank you, jeb
i must say , for the president of psa to say, hey how about some help on this. i thought, yeah, help from the actual collectors. makes sense !

mikeschmidt

My thoughts:

A) It is easiest to give it a weight of 1 or 2 right now -- and try and correct everything down the road. Most player set registries are going to have some inconsistencies -- and the Set Registry is still too young to make consistent calls at this point. (IMHO)

To build on Jeb's comments -- there are some interesting oddball issues out there. Overall -- Topps cards are consistently in much higher demand than OPC. However, OPC is often much harder to find. That being said -- there is a very, very thing market for modern players graded PSA 8-10 in oddball sets, or parallel sets like OPC. As such, with the Schmidt set, I have tried to keep everything simple for the time being. In time, I will suggest some changes to be made upon some of the rarer issues that just do not seem to be available in high grade. Or are just so freaking rare that any grade is helpful. With issues like Red Barn discs, Wendy Discs, FBI Bantam Discs, 1974 - 1976 OPC, 1980 - 1982 OPC, 1985 Topps Mini, 1977 Topps Venezuelan Sticker, etc. only time will tell what will happen. Modern player sets are still a largely very new phenomenon in graded form. Many will collect the basic sets -- few right now are putting together the true master sets. Add in the long-time player specialist collectors -- and it is hard to predict exactly how the market will change in the future. For example -- Mike Schmidt Red Barn discs command a premium in any grade above NM. However, I think the price is a rarity thing -- and would vary very lilttle between PSA 8, PSA 9 and PSA 10. Traditional multiples do not apply with some of those issues -- and the impact of that on the registy as a whole must be considered. I just think it is too early to make those decisions. Though I am happy to champion Mike Schmidt efforts, for example, I am going to defer a lot of the "bigger picture" issues down the road, in the hopes that I can help grow the number of collectors in the market, rather than making arbitrary decisions based solely upon my personal preferences.

MS

Virtualizard

Marc,

I agree. I have never pushed the issue of grade weight with PSA. Only time will tell what cards are truly rare, especially in modern player sets.

Hell, another '75 OPC #70 Schmidt PSA 8 just got added to the POP Report! Maybe these cards aren't that rare in high grade!

JEB.

speeder

happy thanksgiving everybody !
marc, with all due respect, i disagree. waiting to correct problems or inconsistencies "down the road" most generally leads to larger problems and
greater inconsistencies. this is true in life as well as in the business world. if we could get a closer real time grade on this item (73-topps candy lid)
right now, while only one person has the item the change in grade weight will only effect one person. in time when more people have this item
you will be effecting, maybe, 6 or 7 peoples grade averege. i can hear the bickering right now. it seems to me that psa wants its collectors to take a more
proactive approach. example; i noticed that the bench master registry listed a 1973 topps pin-up, i have one, so i sent it in to be graded. it was returned
ungraded, psa told me they no longer grade this item, i then informed them, why do you list it, if you don`t grade it. a day later gayle e`d me back and
told me that item has been taken off the master list. we can`t sit back and expect psa to know all and do all.
marc, i can tell you have extensive knowledge in your area. i thank you for responding to this thread. you friend, lee

gtbeaker

Lee-

I agree with you completely. I've been the one who's been trying to coordinate the Bench basic and master sets over the last few years, and still have MANY questions regarding the weighting of some of the cards. I'll send Gayle an e-mail and request an increase to the point value. In my opinion, that card is worth at least 4-5 points, due to its rarity alone.

Congrats on the card and welcome to the Bench war!

PS- Let me know if you're interested in parting with the candy lid, or at least let me know where you were able to get the raw copy.

Scott

speeder

thanks for the input scott, i agree with you on potential grade for this item. i will get back to gayle today w/recommendation.
congrats on the 2003 award ! mighty impressive collection <<<
i`ll let you know if i see another 73-candy lid thats grade worthy, but i thought you`d be more interested in my 74-bench, deckle edge psa-10 !
thanks again, your friend, lee spies