How can a coin be an MS68 and not get the strike designation?

Russ · November 25, 2003 3:01AM

This is something I've been wondering about. Not so much in Frankies since there ain't a hell of a lot of MS68s (are there any?). But, for example, how about Roosevelt dimes? There seem to be plenty graded recently at MS68 that did not get FB. Shouldn't that lofty grade be completely and fully struck, and therefore automatically FB? Am I missing something on these?

Russ, NCNE

jbsteven · November 25, 2003 3:09AM

when they look like this they can

coinguy1 · November 25, 2003 3:14AM

Russ, I don't claim to know anything about Rosie's, so, I am posting this on behalf of Cointoast, who does.

On a more serious note, though.....

Perhaps (at least some of) the 68's you referred to, are otherwise-perfect and were graded MS68, rather than higher, due to their less-than-perfect strikes?

In the alternative and, more likely, I would surmise, that while the strikes are not "full", they are sharp enough, so as not to result in a lower grade for the coins.

As has been discussed in a number of threads on this forum, many coins are well / fully struck in some areas and not others. And, many of those that receive the designations (such as FBL, FB, FH, etc.) are not always the sharpest, overall. Conversely, many that do not receive the designations are well / fully struck in other (non-designation) areas.

onlyroosies · November 25, 2003 3:25AM

Here is a reverse photo of a 1951S MS68 Roosie. The bottom band is not split completely across

This 1954S is also graded MS68, Again the bottom band is not separated

MadMonk · November 25, 2003 3:29AM

<< As has been discussed in a number of threads on this forum, many coins are well / fully struck in some areas and not others. And, many of those that receive the designations (such as FBL, FB, FH etc. are not always the sharpest, overall. Conversely, many that do not receive the designations are well / fully struck in other (non-designation) areas. >>

What is the "etc." designation?

jbsteven · November 25, 2003 3:30AM

wow look at that 51

airplanenut · November 25, 2003 3:38AM

<< What is the "etc." designation? >>

Mark's confusing a designation with the 4th magazine that guy from Blue Moon writes for

coinguy1 · November 25, 2003 3:43AM

If you guys don't already know about the new ("etc.") designation that is already in the works, I'm sure not going to be the one to tell you about it.

MadMonk · November 25, 2003 3:45AM

<< If you guys don't already know about the new ("etc.") designation that is already in the works, I'm sure not going to be the one to tell you about it.

>>

Well great googly moogly! I feel like a mushroom.

fivecents · November 25, 2003 4:57AM

The MS68 grade to me means a coin has very few imperfections. It's all about the nics and dings or the lack there of.

On the flip side do the grading services use the FBL, FB, FH and FT designation on AU50-AU58 coins?

jbsteven · November 25, 2003 5:10AM

I have seen AU58FB mercs in PCGS slabs

I think remumc has made a few of those

cladking · November 25, 2003 5:27AM

A Roosy can recieve 100% of the detail from the die and still not be FB. This is
especially common in the clads where many dies are not well hubbed.

tradedollarnut · November 25, 2003 5:30AM

MS68 without a completely full strike:

LAWMAN · November 25, 2003 5:37AM

the 1875 trade dollar!!!!!!!!!!! WOW. I can never look at mine the same way again.

jbsteven · November 25, 2003 5:38AM

trade

can you post another fully struck trade and point out where the non fully dtruck is weak?

I can tell from the coin you posted that it pretty much has no bag/contact marks which I am sure is why it graded 68.

thanks

remumc · November 25, 2003 8:45AM

<< I have seen AU58FB mercs in PCGS slabs

I think remumc has made a few of those

>>

Hey laughing boy, I mean JB, I made another one today!

Regards,

Wayne

tradedollarnut · November 25, 2003 8:50AM

Absolutely fully struck trade dollar [MS66] - note the head and upper 4 star clarity....

Pushkin · November 25, 2003 9:39AM

<< How can a coin be an MS68 and not get the strike designation? >>

Maybe because of a hit or a foul.

Was it a "walk" through grade?

Bye, time to run home.

jbsteven · November 25, 2003 9:53AM

TDN

thanks for the education. Are there any other places where trades show a weak strike? thanks

tradedollarnut · November 25, 2003 10:08AM

Absolutely! Sometimes Liberty's toes are flatly struck. But the reverse has even more potential for a flat strike. The eagle's right wing [our left] and leg and also the claw with the berry under it [type I reverse only] are often flatly struck. Here is a fully struck reverse for a type I:

SethChandler · November 25, 2003 10:20AM

Yeah right, where do you draw the line? A flawless, lusterous coin with a less than decent strike is what a 65,66, 67. In the case of TDN's TD its a 68. Does the issue come like that? How do you define the handicap? Very difficult. I always that the quality of the mint's striking of the coin should be factored into the grade. A proof with so so hairlines is a 63 but the same coin with strong black and white cameo devices should be 64 to 65, not 63DCAM. I can't stand the seperate designations...but its needed.

Seth

Mikey · November 25, 2003 10:23AM

ETC stands for enhanced torch contrast

oreville · November 25, 2003 10:35AM

TDN!

How can you expect to compete with that 1951-S roosie for ooohs and aaahs?

Are your lonely minty trades going to join their more popular proof sisters in Baltimore so I can gawk .....err see them first hand?

oreville · November 25, 2003 10:37AM

Handicap? Seth, surely you must be a golfer in your spare time?

homerunhall · November 25, 2003 10:38AM

TDNs coins send shivers down my spine!

HRH

SethChandler · November 25, 2003 10:41AM

TO DO LIST:

Golf with Oreville!

razorface1027 · November 25, 2003 10:42AM

TDNs coins send shivers down my spine!

I'll second that! ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!...

tradedollarnut · November 25, 2003 11:03AM

Thanks, guys!

I'm a pretty mean golfer myself, Seth!

golddustin · November 25, 2003 12:16PM

Now I remeber why I skim quickly past the trade dollar section of adds/auctions...I can just imagine one of those big beautifully heavy coins in my hand, with it's great patterns...but I can't afford them (yet)! Those pics are very soothing to the eye, TDN, thanks for sharing. Like I said, I don't know too much about the series (other than it's size & beauty, and the chop mark deal), but when you said the first post was an example of a weak strike, I looked it all over for quite awhile.. and all I could figure was Miss Liberty's foot-it shows just what appears to be a slight rub, and its just not quite as sharp as the rest of the obverse. Now I gotta go stretch -I got cramps from pattin' myself on the back! But seriously nice coins, and delightful images of them. THANKS!

Nic · November 25, 2003 12:34PM

Killer coins and pics TDN. K

Fairlaneman · November 25, 2003 8:42PM

TDN thank you for the pictures and the lesson on the strike of your Beautiful coins. Those are out of this world.

The Roosies were OK also.

Ken

jonesy · November 26, 2003 7:19PM

A thread with a lot of BEAUTIFUL COINS!! Thanks for Sharing!!

How can a coin be an MS68 and not get the strike designation?

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