Per Request from a Forum Member for comments.

Fairlaneman

Ford Guy.

newbiecollector

... I am the guilty party here. I see die cracks on this coin that I have not seen before.

So could we get some comments on this? Is it common or unusal? Why do none of mine have this?

I am interested to know more and I did sort of "brow beat" Ken into posting both sides of this coin.

Thanks Ken... and to any and all that comment.

theboz11

The coin looks like the last strike before the Dies flew to pieces, remarkable.

newbiecollector

I have about 4-5 maybe six of these coins and NONE have this remarkable die crack situ.

Fairlaneman

OUCH !..... Brow Beating this early in the morning stings.

My pleasure Newbie.

Ken

newbiecollector

<< <i>OUCH !..... Brow Beating this early in the morning stings.

My pleasure Newbie.

Ken >>


Actually My pleasure you shavered this with us..

theboz11

No brow beating here! I think it's a wonderful coin.

newbiecollector

Geeeesssssssss...... did you see the bad typing and spelling I made on my last reply?

That is not important. I find this coin unusal and very attractive, to me. I have no idea if there are many other coins of this die crack type out there but it is not one I have...

Fairlaneman

Maybe two coins can be discussed here. This one I have some interest in. Different varieties of this coin exist I understand. Neither the coin dealer or I had a clue which this is or if it is just a run of the mill coin. Probably just a XF coin I guess.




Thanks Much.
Ken

newbiecollector

It looks to me to be KM#419, narrow date.

Wait for more experienced folks to come on line and I am sure you will get better info.

izzy452

Ken,
I beleive I have one of those ,I will check it when I get home from work.

Nice to see you on the Darkside

Walt

newbiecollector

ttt
Any better input available here folks?

nwcs

The die cracks are really cool on that sucker. Can't give better input as I'm no expert (or close) in mexican coins.

elverno

Not better input just different. My experience is that die cracks lasted a long time. But I also collect coins and medals from the transitional period between hand and steam powered presses. When the dies were giving out in a hand press they could just "take it easy" and perhaps squeeze a few hundred more out of them. The cud on the Nappy of my icon is actually a way to positively identify an original strike of that particular obverse.

I would think that a nice die crack like the one shown in a relatively modern coin happened just before the end of the dies, as theBoz suggested. So they can't be that common.

tbirde56

Here's an example of the wide/narrow 1906 on a 1 centavo:


and my 1906 2c date and yours:

mongoose

Ken, your 10C has some pretty neat cracks. As far as it being common or unusual, not sure. I wanted to give you some additional info from Utberg's (a bit dated) books. It is classified as a type IV 10 centavo, and was used heavily in daily commerce. These type IV coins were also used heavily to make bracelets, buttons, and marriage tokens. The type IVs were the last Mexican silver 10 Centavo coins minted. These seem tough in XF or better, with BU overdate varieties' book values over $100. There are a few varieties involving the date, and a closeup may show 25/15 or 25/3.

I'm not an E/V guy, but find it interesting that some collectors pay more for the same cracks that some collectors will offer less for.

Your 2 centavo is interesting too. It is part of a two year only type (type I), with its predecessor the 1905 being the key date 2C for the entire denomination. About half of the 1906 2C coins were struck by the Birmingham mint of England, while others were struck in Mexico. One author (Hanks) offers that fact as an explanation for the wide/narrow date varieties, but doesn't specify which mint produced which variety. The 9 in your coin's date looks "messy" enough that a closeup may be warranted to determine if it is the inverted 6 variety. It's tail looks a good bit like the plate coin for the variety.

mongoose

After seeing how clean the 9 is in tbirde's photos, I would encourage you to get a tight shot of yours.

lordmarcovan

Die cracks (often quite dramatic ones, too) are very common on Mexican coins of that era, in my experience.

Fairlaneman

Joe

Here is what I could do with the 1909 date. On the 10 Centavo date I saw no sign of it being a overdate. The only thing I saw on it was that the 1 looked way different than the rest of the numbers, much thicker and larger.

Thanks Much for your information on these. Looks like I may have to pick up a book on these seems how when nice coins show up I tend to purchase some of them.




Ken

tbirde56

Inverted 6?:

mongoose

Here's yours

Conclusions? I think they look the same.
Here's Brad's. To me, his looks inverted too.

tbirde56

The inverted photo also seems to confirm that they are the 'narrow date' version.
Thanks Joe!

P.S.: the two small photos above seem to be of the same coin.

mongoose

most welcome!

Fairlaneman

Joe

Thanks Much. Have I got this correct ? Inverted 6 and narrow date.

If so both the dealer and I had no idea what we were looking at. This coin is the rarer type isn't it ? If so I probably will take the coin back to him and see what he wants to do. I have known him for well over 20 years and just will not take advantage of him because neither of us knew what this was.

Ken

Fairlaneman

Maybe give me a idea of what the coin is worth. Its Dark but has like VF or XF details.

Thanks Again.
Ken

mongoose

Ken, I just have the books, but not the knowledge in Mexican coins. Your coin looks like the inverted six to me. It would be the narrow date. The premium would come from the inverted six, though the narrow dates tend to trend a few dollars higher than the wides.

The books I compared plates with are 1965 - 1975 vintage, no help there on pricing. My 29th edition Krause shows F=$25, VF=$50 for the inverted six.

The wide/narrow (no inv six) varieties show F=$4/$6.50 and VF=$10/$12.50

Good luck!