Pretty good value but his pics don't show me if it's a copper proof or a gilt proof. Mrs Roberts thinks its a "bronzed" proof.
It is not virtually fdc, probably unc or au. Virtually everything he sells is overgraded.
It is worth more than the opening bid. I would say £225 - £350 depending on the exact variety. But VERY difficult to sell. The thing is they are not that rare - it's the sort of thing you can get hold of if you're willing to pay the price.
Has an excellent edge inscription in relief: "RENDER TO CESAR THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE CESARS". (Exact spelling)
Nice for a collection though and good value at that price.
I'm also no early Brit pattern expert, but I would ask NEN about the piece since they had some Droz pieces for sale awhile back (in fact, they have a 6d. pattern now). It really seems cheap, and the colour isn't what I would consider "right" for copper during this period. Looks more like copper-nickel alloy.....who knows, maybe Lloyd will happen along.
I can check my Peck tonight. As an aside, a stunning 1770 proof halfpenny sold in the Terner sale for $3000 plus, so is a nice pattern of this era less than 10% of that value?
Yours truly,
A Questioning Scotsman.
Edited to add: I see young Lloyd has already proffered his tuppence...thanks.
Boiler, I'm not an expert on these, but based on Peck's book...it is unlikely that it is a restrike. The known restrikes used dies that don't match up with the eBay coin. The pictured coin matches well with Peck's plates...I see nothing that would indicate a restrike, or a counterfeit.
There are a ton of variations in obverse and reverse on this particular pattern series. The diagnostics I have used in order of precedence are: 1. Britannia seated pointing left, with laurel branch behind shield. 2. Date between two quarterfoils. 3. I'm not positive of the next (and final) diagnostic without better photos.
The coin matches up really well with DH6 (early Soho), and that would be my best attribution without further photos.
You would want close photos of the area near Britty's foot, the base of the spear butt, the outstretched hand, and the date, to be 1000% sure of the exact attribution. It almost has to be DH6 based on what I see.
Thanks for the input! My library is woefully lacking in the foreign area but I do have several books on order so the education begins. I'll keep an eye on this one and if it doesn't go too high......... Here I go again!
I will echo Lloyds points on the seller - Kevin is well known for his stretching of the grade, however his photos are an accurate depiction of the item.
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Either way that looks like an awesome piece.
09/07/2006
Pretty good value but his pics don't show me if it's a copper proof or a gilt proof. Mrs Roberts thinks its a "bronzed" proof.
It is not virtually fdc, probably unc or au. Virtually everything he sells is overgraded.
It is worth more than the opening bid. I would say £225 - £350 depending on the exact variety. But VERY difficult to sell. The thing is they are not that rare - it's the sort of thing you can get hold of if you're willing to pay the price.
Has an excellent edge inscription in relief: "RENDER TO CESAR THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE CESARS". (Exact spelling)
Nice for a collection though and good value at that price.
IMHO it's better going around accumulating high grade currency issues, especially where copper is concerned. BUT WHO ASKED FOR MY OPINION!!!
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I can check my Peck tonight. As an aside, a stunning 1770 proof halfpenny sold in the Terner sale for $3000 plus, so is a nice pattern of this era less than 10% of that value?
Yours truly,
A Questioning Scotsman.
Edited to add: I see young Lloyd has already proffered his tuppence...thanks.
There are a ton of variations in obverse and reverse on this particular pattern series. The diagnostics I have used in order of precedence are:
1. Britannia seated pointing left, with laurel branch behind shield.
2. Date between two quarterfoils.
3. I'm not positive of the next (and final) diagnostic without better photos.
The coin matches up really well with DH6 (early Soho), and that would be my best attribution without further photos.
You would want close photos of the area near Britty's foot, the base of the spear butt, the outstretched hand, and the date, to be 1000% sure of the exact attribution. It almost has to be DH6 based on what I see.
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