THE RICHARD GREEN WASH QUARTER COLLECTION HIT THE AUCTION BLOCK TODAY
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Most folks would have never known it as the set probably was sent in to PCGS for upgrade (and/or reholder) and all pedigree information to Green removed from all of the holders at the time of reholdering the coins. I am not sure Heritage was even aware of it - there certainly was no reference I saw to the All-Time #2 set being sold off.
On the strength of the 32(d,s) coins and a few of the late date silvers, the set, overall, did well. As with any set, there were some coins that sold for too much and some that sold for too little. I bought some coins for my collection and to offer out to some fellow collectors that fell into each category
Another major silver Wash quarter collection broken up (and marketed by the piece as opposed to try to attach a "set preminum" to the collection). This leaves just a handful of high grade complete silver MS Wash quarter sets remaining out there as far as I know.
By the way, I originally assisted RG with the purchase of the collection from John Benbow as well as assisted with many of the upgrades along the way and am fairly knowledgeable of the pedigree of most of the coins in the set. If I can assist anyone who bought a coin from the sale and desires to seek to get a pedigree back on a holder at PCGS, I would be happy to do so. Just PM me.
Wondercoin
On the strength of the 32(d,s) coins and a few of the late date silvers, the set, overall, did well. As with any set, there were some coins that sold for too much and some that sold for too little. I bought some coins for my collection and to offer out to some fellow collectors that fell into each category
Another major silver Wash quarter collection broken up (and marketed by the piece as opposed to try to attach a "set preminum" to the collection). This leaves just a handful of high grade complete silver MS Wash quarter sets remaining out there as far as I know.
By the way, I originally assisted RG with the purchase of the collection from John Benbow as well as assisted with many of the upgrades along the way and am fairly knowledgeable of the pedigree of most of the coins in the set. If I can assist anyone who bought a coin from the sale and desires to seek to get a pedigree back on a holder at PCGS, I would be happy to do so. Just PM me.
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I have to say I was slightly stunned by the price of the 32-S in 65 . . . $21,850.00
I stretched to buy that 53(s) NGC coin you mentioned. Obviously, that was not part of the original Green PCGS collection.
Wondercoin
Why was the pedigree info taken off the holder? I would imagine that a R. Green pedigreed coin would sell at a premium. I actually viewed all the quarters up for auction on Wednesday. There definitely were some stunners. Why do you think the 32-S MS65 went for so much? There were a few hits on that coin and although nice I did not feel it would upgrade. I believe on Wed, the price was $8k.
I was away on a family trip with no access to the internet so I did not participate during the auction unfortunately. I did place some bids before I left, and was hoping to get the highest priced 34-D (MS66), but was outbid. Do you know if this was one of Richard's coins?
I did manage to pick up a couple of coins, but not the ones I really wanted. Thanks for your input, as always.
WWQ
Thought I would go ahead and post the realized prices from the 30's
6349 Washington Quarters
1932 25C MS66 PCGS. The first P-mint issue in this long-... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,553
6350 Washington Quarters
1932 25C MS66 NGC. Well struck and exquisitely preserved, ... Signature NGC MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,150
6351 Washington Quarters
1932 25C MS66 NGC. Well struck with lovely deep rainbow ... Signature NGC MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,553
6353 Washington Quarters
1932 25C MS66 PCGS. A vibrant first year issue, being ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,898
6354 Washington Quarters
1932-D 25C MS63 NGC. Well struck and brilliant, with ... Signature NGC MS63 Friday, November 07, 2003 $2,530
6356 Washington Quarters
1932-D 25C MS64 PCGS. Untoned with excellent vibrancy and ... Signature PCGS MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $7,188
6358 Washington Quarters
1932-D 25C MS65 PCGS. A brilliant example of this low ... Signature PCGS MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $32,200
6359 Washington Quarters
1932-D 25C MS65 NGC. A third Gem example of this ... Signature NGC MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $17,250
6360 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS60 ANACS. Well detailed for this key issue, ... Signature ANACS MS60 Friday, November 07, 2003 $322
6361 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS62 ICG. The left obverse border has an area ... Signature ICG MS62 Friday, November 07, 2003 $357
6362 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS63 PCGS. Fully lustrous beneath dappled gray-... Signature PCGS MS63 Friday, November 07, 2003 $978
6363 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS64 PCGS. Some attractive, natural color ... Signature PCGS MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,840
6364 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS64 PCGS. A boldly struck and satiny near-Gem ... Signature PCGS MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,980
6367 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS64 PCGS. The obverse of this solidly graded ... Signature PCGS MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $2,588
6369 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS65 PCGS. It has been several auctions since ... Signature PCGS MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $21,850
6370 Washington Quarters
1932-S 25C MS65 NGC. A second Gem example of this scarce ... Signature NGC MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $4,485
6371 Washington Quarters
1934 25C MS67 PCGS. An exceptionally attractive, lustrous,... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,323
6372 Washington Quarters
1934 25C Light Motto MS66 PCGS. Seldom seen in such a ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,064
6373 Washington Quarters
1934 25C Doubled Die MS66 PCGS. FS-009. The doubling is ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $9,488
6374 Washington Quarters
1934-D 25C MS65 NGC. A frosty Gem whose originality in ... Signature NGC MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,064
6375 Washington Quarters
1934-D 25C MS65 ANACS. Attractive green-gold iridescence ... Signature ANACS MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $805
6376 Washington Quarters
1934-D 25C MS66 PCGS. Only 3.5 million pieces were struck ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $3,278
6378 Washington Quarters
1934-D 25C MS66 PCGS. A semi-key among early Washington ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $5,405
6380 Washington Quarters
1935 25C MS67 PCGS. Lightly and originally toned with ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $776
6381 Washington Quarters
1935 25C MS67 PCGS. Satiny and essentially flawless, with ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $891
6382 Washington Quarters
1935-D 25C MS64 ICG. Bright, frosty surfaces with a hint ... Signature ICG MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $311
6383 Washington Quarters
1935-D 25C MS66 PCGS. Very frosty and well struck with a ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,380
6384 Washington Quarters
1935-D 25C MS66 PCGS. Well struck and essentially ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,380
6385 Washington Quarters
1935-D 25C MS67 PCGS. The 1935-D is another scarce, semi-... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $9,775
6387 Washington Quarters
1935-S 25C MS66 PCGS. A shimmering-white Gem with ample ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $863
6389 Washington Quarters
1936 25C MS67 PCGS. Fully struck and satiny with light ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,495
6390 Washington Quarters
1936 25C MS67 PCGS. A magnificent Gem with vibrant, ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,495
6391 Washington Quarters
1936-D 25C MS64 PCGS. Well struck surfaces with smooth, ... Signature PCGS MS64 Friday, November 07, 2003 $719
6392 Washington Quarters
1936-D 25C MS66 PCGS. Another scarce, semi-key D-mint ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $3,450
6393 Washington Quarters
1936-S 25C MS66 PCGS. Untoned and ultra frosty, with ... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,265
6394 Washington Quarters
1936-S 25C MS66 PCGS. Fully struck and satiny, with steel-... Signature PCGS MS66 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,179
6395 Washington Quarters
1936-S 25C MS67 PCGS. The 1936-S is a low-mintage ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $4,600
6396 Washington Quarters
1937 25C MS67 PCGS. A Superb example with shimmering ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,035
6397 Washington Quarters
1937-D 25C MS65 ANACS. Well struck and lustrous, with a ... Signature PCGS MS65 Friday, November 07, 2003 $104
6398 Washington Quarters
1937-D 25C MS67 PCGS. The quintessential '37-D Quarter, ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $3,910
6399 Washington Quarters
1938 25C MS67 PCGS. Lovely olive-gold and pale orange ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $2,185
6400 Washington Quarters
1938-S 25C MS67 PCGS. Seldom available in Superb ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $2,128
6401 Washington Quarters
1939 25C MS67 PCGS. Vibrant snow-white surfaces are just ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $495
6402 Washington Quarters
1939-D 25C MS67 PCGS. Fully struck and virtually pristine,... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,438
6403 Washington Quarters
1939-D 25C MS67 PCGS. The brilliant centers are ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,380
6404 Washington Quarters
1939-D 25C MS67 PCGS. A creamy, essentially untoned ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $1,725
6405 Washington Quarters
1939-S 25C MS67 PCGS. Very scarce at the MS67 level, only ... Signature PCGS MS67 Friday, November 07, 2003 $4,600
As far as the 32(s), I have no idea why it sold for what it did. Perhaps an upgrader thought it would upgrade - who knows? The bottom line is a monumental collection (perhaps #1 of ALL-TIME because PCGS failed to recognize a few of Green's coins, but that is another story) has been broken up. Remember this was the combined collection of RG and the #1 set of John Benbow - this was a monumental collection to have been sold by the piece. Why the consignor to the sale chose to sell it as an un-named collection - I truly have no idea. Although as I mentioned before, Heritage did a great job delivering a fantastic return to the consignor on the heels of runaway prices on the 32d,s and some later date coins.
Wondercoin
Wondercoin
How would one know which coins are Richard Green's? I picked up something in the sale and was a bit curious.
But, possibly through a back-tracking of serial numbers and/or testimonials from RG himself (or possibly myself, especially where I was the original submitter of the coin to PCGS, like in the case of the 54(d) quarter), getting back the pedigrees is certainly not impossible.
While the pedigree may not carry any financial weight (as evidenced by the owner of the set elecing to not even use it), to those historians of the series, the pedigrees can be special.
Wondercoin
I did notice that there was a pattern of Serial numbers.. starting with the 1932-P (Serial number 50070537) through the 1964-D (serial number 50070623). Every serial number is spoken for in sequence.
When the collection was reholdered, the serial numbers were used sequentially so it is quite easy to tell which coins were Richard Green's
WWQ
1. Roughly 15% of the original set I acquired even before the roughly 85% of the set sold as a unit. Those 15% of the slots were filled in with coins obviously having nothing to do with the RG set.
2. It is possible the consignor upgraded a coin and it replaced an RG coin along the way, or even an original RG coin was later replaced with an undergrade coin. I have not taken the time to research any of this.
Wondercoin
ALL of these coins were in the HERITAGE sale, except for one (1954-S, MS66). If Richard's collection was up for sale, this was MOST of it because in most cases Heritage did not have multiple coins of the same grade up for auction.
Maybe you could explain how the auction process works and why coins would be reholdered for the auction. Basically, how do the coins get sequentially serialled like this if only PART of Richard's set was available for auction?
I am only trying to help identify RG's coins which carry some numismatic history to each and every coin that this UNBELIEVABLE set held. I think people would love to know if the coin they have is RG's just like they do BENBOW's or ELIASBERG's to use them as examples.
As I said I did buy one of these coins and would love for you to assist in getting the pedigree label put back on. By the way... how can that be done, if the original owner wanted it off?
Anyway, this is what I found from my research of the serial numbers I mentioned and the corresponding auction lots in the Heritage sale. I tried to do this as quickly as possible, so please forgive any errors.
Auction Date
Lot # Cert # Mintmark Grade
6353 50070537 1932 MS66 *
6358 50070538 1932-D MS65
6369 50070539 1932-S MS65
6373 50070540 1934 - DDO MS66
6371 50070541 1934 MS67
6372 50070542 1934 - LT MOTTO MS66
6378 50070543 1934-D MS66
6381 50070544 1935 MS67
6385 50070545 1935-D MS67
6386 50070546 1935-S MS66 *
6390 50070547 1936 MS67
6392 50070548 1936-D MS66 *
6393 50070549 1936-S MS66
6396 50070550 1937 MS67
6398 50070551 1937-D MS67
No coin listed for this date 1937-S
6399 50070552 1938 MS67
6400 50070553 1938-S MS67
6401 50070554 1939 MS67 *
6403 50070555 1939-D MS67
6405 50070556 1939-S MS67
6406 50070557 1940 MS67
6409 50070558 1940-D MS66 *
6410 50070559 1940-S MS67
6411 50070560 1941 MS67
6413 50070561 1941-D MS67
6414 50070562 1941-S MS67
6415 50070563 1942 MS67
6417 50070564 1942-D MS67
6419 50070565 1942-S MS67
6420 50070566 1943 MS67
6421 50070567 1943-D MS67
6423 50070568 1943-S MS67
6426 50070569 1944 MS67
6428 50070570 1944-D MS67
6429 50070571 1944-S MS67
6430 50070572 1945 MS67
6431 50070573 1945-D MS67
6433 50070574 1945-S MS67
6434 50070575 1946 MS66 *
6435 50070576 1946-D MS67
6436 50070577 1946-S MS67
6437 50070578 1947 MS67
6438 50070579 1947-D MS67
6441 50070580 1947-S MS67
6442 50070581 1948 MS67
6444 50070582 1948 MS67
6447 50070583 1948-D MS67
6449 50070584 1948-S MS67
6450 50070585 1949 MS67
6452 50070586 1949-D MS67
6453 50070587 1950 MS67
6454 50070588 1950-D MS67
6455 50070589 1950-S MS67
6456 50070590 1950-S/D MS66
6457 50070591 1951 MS67
6458 50070592 1951-D MS67
6459 50070593 1951-S MS67
6460 50070594 1952 MS67
6461 50070595 1952-D MS66
6463 50070596 1952-S MS67
6467 50070597 1953 MS67
6468 50070598 1953-D MS67
6469 50070599 1953-S MS67
6471 50070600 1954 MS67
6472 50070601 1954-D MS67
6473 50070602 1954-S MS67
No lot 50070603 1954-S MS66
6474 50070604 1955 MS67 *
6475 50070605 1955-D MS66
6476 50070606 1956 MS67
6477 50070607 1956-D MS67 *
6478 50070608 1957 MS67
6479 50070609 1957-D MS67
6480 50070610 1958 MS67
6481 50070611 1958-D MS67
6483 50070612 1959 MS66
6484 50070613 1959-D MS66 *
6486 50070614 1960 MS67 *
6487 50070615 1960-D MS66
6488 50070616 1961 MS67
6489 50070617 1961-D MS66
6490 50070618 1962 MS67 *
6491 50070619 1962-D MS66
6492 50070620 1963 MS67
6493 50070621 1963-D MS67
6495 50070622 1964 MS67 *
6496 50070623 1964-D MS67
* In all cases except those marked with an (*) the grades match Richard Green's alltime #2 Registered set.
And, of course, your * information shows many coins where the coin sold in the collection last week does not even match the grade of the coin in the retired Green collection. But, even the non-star coins do not determine they were the Green coin - they simply mean either they are Green OR the non-RG coin was replaced with a coin in the same grade.
Again, this may not have much to do about $$, but simply owning a coin once enjoyed by the pioneers in a series - my personal favorite "pioneers" of MS silver Wash quarters being John Benbow, Richard Green, Registrycoin (never pedigreed on holder, so very tough to determine), Ryan White (never pedigreed on holder either) and Don Dolga (never pedigreed on holder either - well, not a pioneer but one of the early collections of color coins)
Wondercoin
Thanks for explaining it so clearly now. Me, without the knowledge that you possess with the history of these "Pioneers" as you put it, did not understand that Richard's set was broken up since the title of this thread was that the collection sold... not just pieces from it.
Thanks for filling in the blanks for me from your prior post.
Two questions:
1 - Is it safe to assume that this collection was not registered?
2 - Why do you think that these high grade sets have sold recently? This latest one, Walser's, which was #1 at the time and Stella Colbert's, which was #2 at the time, to name a few.
Man, I knew you guys were talking apples and oranges. Glad that was worked out.
I'm not much on the pedigree thing, unless it is one of the big historical collectors.
It is interesting that (2) tops sets have sold in the past 90 days (Walser way way before that). Perhaps a desire to sell "at the top"? On the other hand, I bought coins from both collections, thinking personally that this was a good time to buy
Interestingly, back in 2001, within roughly a 120 day period, the RG set, the Registrycoin set (at that time in a dead heat tie with RG) and an unregistered collection within a couple coins of both of those sets all sold privately!! So, sets selling in bunches is not all that uncommon.
Wondercoin