Nice EDS 1867/67 IH

shylock

Goose3 recently recommended a dealer out of Texas with a great eye for Indian cent varieties, Dick Osburn. This SEGS 1867/67 (S1) was a pleasant surprise. It's a solid 64 BN and early die state example of one of the top RPD's of the series. It shows the die striations from the 1st diamond to the jaw that Snow lists as the "S1a" version, less obverse clash marks than usually seen, and a very crisp RPD.

mgoodm3

That's one of the most blatant RPD's you are going to see. Very nice.

Lakesammman

Shylock:

That is a rather fascinating speciman for 2 reasons. First, the concentric lathe lines indicates it's a early die state speciman. Secondly, it doesn't appear to have the die roughness in front of the neck that is invariably present on these coins (see below photo). Larry Steve has written rather extensively on this variety with various theories as to why the roughness is present. One theory is that it occured from clashing. Your coin has clash marks w/o apparent roughness. If you would, please let me know if roughness is present but simply not showing on the photo (see my photo). If so, Larry might like to see it.

The other fascinating thing is Osburn claims to specialize in bust coinage but every ad has a couple hundred IHC varieties - sure would like to see what he has in Bust material!!

Mark

Paul:

Currently I am very busy with some work and so can not spend much time on the PCGS boards. So, when I opened the PCGS site, I just looked at the topics and then immediately minimized IE when I saw nothing I "needed" to read. But just as the page was minimizing I caught sight of a thread initiated by "Shylock." I said "Opps" and immediately reopened IE so that I could admire what I anticipated would be a super picture. And, I am pleased to say, that I was correct--your pictures are simply ...simply .... unbelievable! (Plus the coin is sorta OK, too )

Mark

seanq

That is a very nice coin. It also reminded me to post the picture of the VEDS 1894/1894 Snow-1 I picked up recently:



I've seen a bunch of these, but I've never seen one where the point of the first '4' is still visible inside the top of the second '4'. Unfortunately, the coin also has a couple of... problems:




Sean Reynolds

Pushkin

Very interesting Shylock and Lakesammman. I just noticed that my 1867/7 also has prominent die lines - sorry if they don't show up so well on the scans. Also, I've been wondering about the roughness since it looks like clashing in the fields near the "U" of UNITED in addition to roughness in front of the neck.

shylock

My 67/67 does have faint clash marks from the wreath extending down to the neck like Lake's & Pushkin's. But if it has any roughness in front of the neck it's extremely minor compared to theirs. SEGS plastic is tough to image/examine through. Hopefully I'll get a more detailed photo after I crack it out.

Lakes - Dick Osburn's online inventory is an interesting browse (but no images). He told me he got interested in IHs when he wrote the Seated Half section for Kevin Flynn's book on misplaced dates. When he got his copy of the book it was half Indians. He couldn't believe all the varieties and has been looking for them ever since, so that's basically all you'll find in his IH inventory.

I was pleasantly surprised to see the lathe lines you mentioned when this arrived. And since I've never had the opportunity to examine one of these up close I was also surprised with the slight separation of the RPD at the upper 7.

Mark - I've spent a lot of free time over the past couple years tinkering with copper imaging -- often ending in complete frustration -- so I'm glad someone like yourself appreciates it. Thanks.

Sean - interesting observation about the lower point of the 4 that's visible on your 1894/1894. I'm going to have to take mine out tonight and give it a second look!

XpipedreamR

Wow---Those cent varieties are really excellent!

sadysta1

Here's link to his website:
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nucklehead

Very nice Paul! That's something you don't see very often.