What would these vintage hockey grade?

natetrook

Hey guys,
I mainly collect vintage raw hockey cards, and I don't submit regularly to PSA. I am breaking up a set of 1971-72 OPC hockey cards, and several people have asked me what I think these will grade. I'm not trying to spam, but can you collectors tell me what you think these higher end specimens will grade if submitted? Thanks in advance, Nate

71-72 OPC Lacroix
71-72 OPC Laperriere
71-72 OPC LaFleur

aro13

I would say the Lacroix is the nicest card. I hesitate to call any raw card on ebay mint so I would say NMMT.
The Laperriere is OC top to bottom so even if the corners are flawless I would call it NMMT or NMT.
The Lafleur has two corners that are hard to tell how much wear there is but I would say EXMT or NMT.

yawie99

It's hard to tell from the scans, but I'd guess 8, 8OC and 7, respectively. The top two corners on the LaFleur look a bit too soft for an 8. What I really want to say, though, is that one should be very judicious when using the word "mint" in eBay listings, especially with condition-sensitive semi-vintage cards from a set that's popular with PSA collectors.

I bought some '71 OPC cards a few months ago from some guy who described his cards as anywhere from NM-MT to GEM MINT. Needless to say, the cards that arrived were more like 6's and 7's. I'll probably submit a few of them, but I fear I'm going to need a bit of luck to even land an 8 or two. I e-mailed the guy and tried to explain that while they were nice cards that might have fit the average collector's definition of mint 10 years ago, they weren't even close to what a graded-card collector would call mint. He didn't seem to get it, reinforcing my belief that the those who deal exclusively in raw cards inhabit some sort of parallel universe. Nothing wrong with that, but when the two worlds collide, the risk of buyer disappointment is quite high.

norty

What is that above the "y" in Flyers on the Lacroix card? It looks like a fold or crease. There is also a problem above the "l" in Flyers, near the top border. I'd say no more than Ex+ on the Lacroix.

robstar

<< <i>What is that above the "y" in Flyers on the Lacroix card? It looks like a fold or crease. There is also a problem above the "l" in Flyers, near the top border. I'd say no more than Ex+ on the Lacroix. >>



I think the problems that you see above " FLYERS " are being caused by wrinkles in the soft sleeve that it is in. The Lacroix is the only card of the 3 that would warrant grading. The Lafleur, a 7 at best, would undoubtably bring the same or more $$ if sold on the raw market.


Rob....

Wabittwax

Nate, one good rule of thumb to remember is that if there is something nice on Ebay that you are interested in buying, you probably don't want to show it here until the auctions end. There are many people on here (including myself) who look for nice raw cards to submit so you will wind up paying more for the card or losing it altogether. I normally would bid on vintage which looks high grade (which these do) but I won't out of respect for you.

norty

Rob:

You may be right about the penny sleeve wrinkle but I just can't tell from the scan offered. That's why grading cards without having them in hand and under the right lighting conditions is so hard.

pcb8210

None of them are mint. I'm not saying that they aren't nice cards, but calling them mint is false advertising and a good way to get yourself some negative feedback.