Brit pattern collectors....

ccrdragon · October 30, 2003 10:58PM

Is this reasonable for this piece (hope I don't start a bidding war on this...)

Pattern

I really like the design and if it's as nice as the pic, then it's a beautiful piece.

newbiecollector · October 30, 2003 11:04PM

I hope one of the experts come on soon to make proper comments.

My opinion is it is NOT what you think it is. Of course I might be totally wrong.

trozau · October 30, 2003 11:05PM

It's a modern (not minted during the actual year but much later) fantasy pattern from a private mint much like the Donald Golder modern fantasy patterns. For someone who wants it, the price would be okay.

ccrdragon · October 30, 2003 11:06PM

Bummer - it's a nice looking piece, but I'd hoped it was authentic

newbiecollector · October 30, 2003 11:10PM

Well trozau and others can give more details but I don't think you could dream of getting that for 30 dollars.

ccrdragon · October 30, 2003 11:11PM

Never hurts to dream....

newbiecollector · October 30, 2003 11:13PM

Of course not........

I do it everytime I look at one of my common world coins.

RKKay · October 30, 2003 11:15PM

If that is any indication of what foreign patterns can look like, I'm sold. Where do I learn about foreign patterns? Any books? Websites?

MacCrimmon · October 30, 2003 11:27PM

C. Wilson Peck's Copper book covers British copper patterns from 1558 - 1958. Check with Charlie Davis or Kolbe. Get the 2nd edition from 1964 as it has the updates/errata.

As to Silver or Gold, I'll have to check. Maybe Wybrit or Lloyd knows of a definitive Pattern ref. for all Brit metals.

RKKay · October 30, 2003 11:33PM

Thanks, MacCrimmon.

MacCrimmon · October 30, 2003 11:34PM

Recent Pattern thread . . see bottom for full title

SYRACUSIAN · October 30, 2003 11:48PM

This is the very common Maklouf pattern I believe; nothing special imo.

1jester · October 31, 2003 1:38AM

It might be common, but I like the design and I don't think there are any standard issue coins with G8's portrait.

Lloyd · October 31, 2003 2:30AM

Jester
There are currency issues of Edward VIII around for all British denominations but they are considered patterns because they were not issued for circulation - the difficulty is counting the zeros on the price tags... They are all listed in Spinks.

I don't know if the coin prompting this thread is a copy of a pattern or just a fantasy piece - whatever it's nice but it's not art and it certainly wouldn't be considered an investment.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I HAVE FOR SALE A 1936-HONG-KONG-THINGY-DONT-KNOW-WHAT-IT-IS

Finally I am unaware of books that deal solely with patterns - (Coincraft has a good section) but I think it would be better to learn a little about the currency first and then work from there.

Lloyd

cosmicdebris · October 31, 2003 4:37AM

Mark just picked up THIS BOOK on UK pattern crowns.

SYRACUSIAN · October 31, 2003 4:50PM

This is the initial design by TH Paget (sorry for the poor quality of the scan): the letter with the drawing by Paget is a most revealing document,since it throws light on the process by which the final portrait of Edward,facing to the left (at his own insistence) ,was developped from the youthful portrait on the Master Mariner medal to the more stern and mature portrait of the pattern coins.

On the back of the letter (addressed to Paget c/o Major the Hon A Hardinge at Buckingham palace,from R.A.Johnson at the Royal Mint,dated 24 April 1936),there's a note "The king will see you and Metcalf together on Tuesday next,the 28th instant ,at 3.45 pm", a drawing by Paget ,presumably done at this meeting, (of the king) with notes about shadows etc. ,together with an original portrait photograph of the king,also in profile to left,by Hugh Cecil,London.

The entire lot sold,was a group of 12 plaster models by Paget :three of the Mariner Medal (two obv. in relief,one incuse),five of various coinage heads (one in relief,four incuse) ,two halfcrowns ,golden hint reverse (one in relief,one incuse),an incuse sixpence and a George VI coinage head in relief.

I'll try to locate a gold two-pounder in my Spink auction cats that was recently sold for above 65K GBP; anyway,the design by Maklouf that's offered in the auction above,looks like a caricature to me.

SYRACUSIAN · October 31, 2003 5:18PM

Thursday 15th of November 2001,lot 669:

Edward VIII (acceded to the throne 20 January 1936,abdicated 10 December 1936),proof or pattern gold Two-pounds,1937,by T.H.Paget,bare head to left obv, rev. struck en medaille by B.Pistrucci ,St George and the dragon,mint state,a brilliant proof ex. of this extremely rare coin

REALIZED 66700 GBP

note of the cataloguer: The coins of Edward VIII are among the most famous of the entire British series.They're all extremely rare.The Royal Collection and the British Museum each have one complete set,and the Royal Mint guards another two sets and also a mixed set of brilliant proof and matt proof examples of the silver and base metal.

Over the last 25 years various single items have come to light,including a gold sov from the prof. REGibson collection and most recently a crown,both offered in Spink auctions.

This is the first time a gold Two-pounds has been offered in auction,and it is believed there is only ONE other in private hands.

1jester · October 31, 2003 8:09PM

Thanks for the info, Dimitri!

trozau · October 31, 2003 10:47PM

Here's a picture I have of the Eddie the 8th 2 Pound gold coin ...

Brit pattern collectors....

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