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RKKay · October 30, 2003 2:24PM

Sorry, but I know nothing about this stuff.

SYRACUSIAN · October 30, 2003 2:32PM

Nothing but red x that won't even open with a right click

1jester · October 30, 2003 2:44PM

Rick, thanks for visiting! You've got a nice dollar-sized coin minted in Brazil in 1814. Its denomination is 960 Reis. Many of them were struck directly over other coins (usually 8 Reales), like this coin, but I'm not sure if that's the case with yours. Yours looks very well struck. Nice piece!

1jester · October 30, 2003 2:47PM

Yes, yours is struck over another silver dollar-sized coin.

RKKay · October 30, 2003 3:28PM

Thanks, 1jester. I appreciate your help and hospitality. Rick

1jester · October 30, 2003 7:28PM

You're most welcome, Rick! Anyone of your caliber and reputation is welcome over here anytime. Please join us again soon!

tbirde56 · October 30, 2003 8:21PM

Nice coin! It would be KM-307.1 in Krauses's Standard Catalog of World Coins (try a library) under Brazil. The B mintmark on the globe band indicates the Bahia mint. Value in my old '96 edition is $27.50 in F, $35 in VF and $60 in XF. It should weigh about 27 grams and would contain about .777 of an ounce of silver. As Jester noted these are usually found struck over Spanish colonial 8 reales coins. Additional value is given to coins that still show details of the original piece on it.

RKKay · October 30, 2003 11:12PM

Thanks again, Brad and Jester. It's guys like you who make the boards great. I appreciate your help. Rick

newbiecollector · October 30, 2003 11:18PM

I saved your second pic and played with it in PSP. I have no knowledge at all about these coins but it looked to me that something was "going on" with the A and B in STAB and the very top part of the coins center presentation.

Sorry I can't be more specific but I am not sure of all the terms.

RKKay · October 30, 2003 11:21PM

It is clearly struck over something else, but the design is not clear to me, as I am not familiar with Brazilian coinage.

newbiecollector · October 30, 2003 11:23PM

Unfortunately I am not either. I could just see something that looked "different" to to me.

newsman · October 31, 2003 12:51AM

Hi, Rick:

Yours looks to be about XF, which would put its value at $40. All of these coins were struck over some other crown-sized piece, because at the time Napoleon was in control of Portugal and Joao VI, the prince regent, was short on cash while in exile in Brazil, so he paid people 720 reis for Spanish 8 reales and recoined them, making a nice profit for himself in the process.

There also are examples of these coined over other crowns, including one struck over an early US silver dollar.

Chuck

1jester · October 31, 2003 1:31AM

Newsman's the expert on these; I got mine as well as everything I know about them from him.

RKKay · October 31, 2003 1:53AM

Thanks, Newsman. You guys have been great.

Askari · October 31, 2003 6:04AM

Welcome, Rick!! We're glad to have you "over here"!

newsman · October 31, 2003 6:16AM

<< <i>Newsman's the expert on these; I got mine as well as everything I know about them from him.

>>

I got a four-hour crash course on 960 reis last month when I visited the numismatic museum in Sao Paulo.

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