What is your worst strikeout on a coin submission?

1jester · October 30, 2003 9:28AM

Your stories can include genuine boo-boos as well as instances when the TPG screwed up.

I'll start off. I sent in a few coins to ANAS and they hit me hard with every one, save one (an 1899 Morgan Dollar in MS-63). They bagged a few coins, and graded most everything corroded, scratched, questionable color, etc. One coin was even netted as bent. It was not bent! It was a 1915 $1 Pan-Pac commemorative which I judged to be 64, maybe 65, with clean original luster and rosy toning. Just a fantastic coin. They graded it as MS-60 Net, bent. I cracked it out and sent it to NGC, where it got an MS-63. Still too low I think, but what was ANAS excuse???? I won't be sending anything to them in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

Russ · October 30, 2003 9:35AM

How do I bodybag thee, let me count the ways. I'm stubborn, though. I'm never content with just one toe tag per coin, I usually give them several chances to take my money.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut · October 30, 2003 9:35AM

What was I thinking? ANACS was relentless!

DHeath · October 30, 2003 9:47AM

Try this one.

It was a nice slider Washington album set. The Ikes were mark free, but with terrible planchets. The 32-D and 37-D both went into AU ANACS holders with regular labels.

1 21017494 1978 $1 USA MS63
1 21017495 1978 $1 USA MS63
1 21017496 1978 $1 USA MS63
2 21017497 1979-P SBA$ Wide Rim USA MS64
3 21017498 1932-S 25C USA AU55
4 21017499 1932-D 25C USA Cleaning
5 21017500 1932-S 25C USA AU58
6 21017501 1935-S 25C USA AU55
7 21017502 1936-S 25C USA MS63
8 21017503 1937-D 25C USA Cleaning
9 21017504 1937-S 25C USA MS63
10 21017505 1938-S 25C USA MS64
11 21017506 1939-D 25C USA AU55
12 21017507 1939-S 25C USA MS63

Date Received: 11/20/2001
Date Shipped: 12/19/2001

1jester · October 30, 2003 9:51AM

Forgot to mention the insult added to the injury (or was it the other way around?). They took over 3 months on an early-bird submission to hand me that bad news.

Jeremy, that is way funny! I know you did that on purpose, but it is funny!!

Russ · October 30, 2003 9:54AM

Jeremy,

That coin is ass kicking cool! A solid 9.1!

Russ, NCNE

Skipper53 · October 30, 2003 9:59AM

When I first started collecting I got real brave and bought a 1934S Peace dollar
from Coast to Coast advertized as Brilliant Uncirculated. A few months later it was
my first submission to PCGS. Came back AU-55. To late to send back.
Hopefully, my last $500 mistake !

Skipper

fcloud · October 30, 2003 10:05AM

My first group had two out of four body bagged.

My ratio is much better now.

1jester · October 30, 2003 10:07AM

Coast to Coast. Oh yeah, one of my favorite dealers....

Along with Paul Sims.

jonesy · October 30, 2003 10:13AM

1918S Buffalo Nickel. A MS64 lock with nice toning!! Questionable Toning!!

roadrunner · October 30, 2003 10:16AM

My WORST submission also became my BEST submission. This happened back around 1988. I purchased what I felt was a choice MS64+ 1838-0 dime out of a Stacks auction for just a shade under MS64 money. I wasn't quite satisfied when it came back NGC MS64 so I tried it with PCGS a few weeks later. It came back PCGS MS63 and I was looking at a $3500 loss. My only recourse was to pray NGC would place it back into a 64 holder again. But they didn't...... Instead they graded in MS65 on the 2nd try. A $3500 potential loss turned into an $8000 profit when I sold it a few weeks later. Same coin but 3 different grades and a price range from $3500 to $15000.

That was the first 1838-0 dime to get a slabbed MS65 grade. This was only one of several seated coins I have submitted over the years that spanned 3 different grades. And in nearly every case it was 63, 64, 65. Sometimes your "strikeout" (or lack of persistence) turns into the next guy's touchdown. And logically the correct grade is usually the one in the middle!

roadrunner

nwcs · October 30, 2003 10:19AM

When I first got back into the hobby, I bought a number of uncirculated coins from a person on ebay. I sent them off to PCGS (which I had only dealt with for a month or so) hoping they'd be between 63 and 65 each. Of course, I didn't know any better. 2 were bagged and the rest were 55 and 58. Waste of money on every front. I was pissed, but there was nothing I could do about it. Finally sold them for the cost of certification.

rainbowroosie · October 30, 2003 10:26AM

DHeath...you da man!!! That is the submission from hell!!!!

Barry · October 30, 2003 10:55AM

What Jeremy didn't say is the coin used to be an ACG AU-58.

airplanenut · October 30, 2003 11:00AM

<< <i>What Jeremy didn't say is the coin used to be an ACG AU-58. >>

it was a 62, BARRY! I think they noticed a few small ticks on this one...

razorface1027 · October 30, 2003 11:04AM

The worst?..CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENED

mnmcoin · October 30, 2003 11:18AM

Anything withing the last year or two.

morris <><

mozeppa · October 30, 2003 11:44AM

1909 matte proof i bought from barry stuppler...pcgs said " questionable color or toning"

coinkat · October 30, 2003 11:49AM

Are we just limited to three?

elwood · October 30, 2003 12:45PM

I purchased a 1794 Half, O-106, in VF-20 (one of the finest known for the variety) raw from a Bowers & Merena auction. It was described as above average and brought a large premium. I bought the coin to put away for myself. 6-8 months later I had a collector who wanted one. He wanted it slabbed and said he would pay me double what I had paid for it. I sent the coin to PCGS for grading and it came back in a BB, repaired. I told Bowers and Merena about the coin and it's problem. They didn't want to do anything about it. They did however recommend that I try sending it to NGC. I didn't. Needless to say I will take a $2,000-$3,000 hit on the coin. If I took into account what the collector would have paid me for it, it cost me around $10,000.00

bearcave · October 30, 2003 12:58PM

1884 S Mprgan sold "raw" as a 62. Went to PCGS and came back BB'ed! ANACS graded it AU Details EF 40 cleaned. Took a beating on that one.

TheNumish · October 30, 2003 1:10PM

Just today I got a California Half back that graded MS-63 at PCGS. The coin bids $150. I paid $700 raw for the coin. That's my second worst buy of the year. The worst one I really don't want to talk about.

1jester · October 30, 2003 4:12PM

Oh, don't be shy, Numish!!

clackamas · October 30, 2003 4:59PM

The Worst - 1916-D Merc "Not Genuine". I was able to return it.

Monstavet · October 30, 2003 5:56PM

The whole batch of coins I sent to PCGS that got stolen by the Post OFfice guy there....lotta work down the tubes, and the Post Office didn't pay the full claim...bass turds.

Dabigkahuna · October 30, 2003 7:07PM

Im with Russ.

You have to hit me over the head several times before I get it.

1. 1806 50C Pointed 6, No Stem VG10 (Raw, just what it deserved).

2. 1837 50C Reeded Edge Altered Surfaces (NGC AU58 crack out. 2nd trip. First time bagged for "enviromental damage").

3. 1834 H10C Artificial Color (2nd trip. First time bagged for cleaning).

4. 1893-O 50c Cleaning (ANACS MS63 crack out. ouch!)

Oh, and I can't forget this one,

1. 1948 S$1 CANADA Cleaning (ICCS MS64...really ouch!)

Dabig K

MadMonk · October 30, 2003 10:55PM

I have a $5.00 indian that came back BB'd for cleaning. To this day, Niether I, nor anybody else I've shown it to can figure out how. Certainly not abrasively cleaned. It's a good solid XF. I'll probably try it again some day. I had a Blue and Red 55 Franklin come back "Negative eye appeal"From ICG when they first opened thier doors. I later got a 66 fbl from PCGS. Sold a few years ago for good money. Go figure.

relayer · October 30, 2003 11:13PM

Among the Questionable Color, Environmental Damage, Scratched, Cleaned or Whizzed coins I'd have to say my Not Genuine $5 Indian Gold has been my worst.

Wolf359 · October 31, 2003 12:03AM

airplanenut: To get 6 designations on the coin (Corroded, Holed, Damaged, Tooled, Graffiti, Bent) can you imagine the time they must have spent on the coin? Instead of the usual flip 5 seconds....Bida Bing Bida Boom GRADED!....must have been an entire minute!

Truly a rare coin in that sense.

Wolf359 · October 31, 2003 12:13AM

My worst? A promise to my son on his shiny 1943-d/d steel penny which he picked out raw at the local coin dealer. Cost him .25 cents to purchase. Boggybagged at PCGS, I swore to him ANACS would net grade it, so it would be in a slab regardless. ANACS bodybagged it too, "Zinc added outside the mint". He cried for an hour...and hated me.

I bought him a PCGS 1995 MS67 to make it up to him. So that .25 cents turned into 2 months of mailings to grading services and about $150 in costs.

Baley · October 31, 2003 5:30AM

He cried for an hour...and hated me

I am puzzled by this. Why was it so important to get the coin into a third party slab?

MapMaker · October 31, 2003 6:43AM

I win this contest hands down. I submited a New Jersey State Quarter and it came back in a body bag!!!!
PCGS made $6.25 for grading ( on special club deal ) and believe it or not I sold it on E-bay Adv. as in PCGS body bag for a couple dollars. Also got a couple of 65's Got one 67 + 2- 66's out of 8 Qtrs. What a waste of submissions. Never again!
Regards, El Stupido

1jester · October 31, 2003 7:30AM

Well, on second thought, body bagging state quarters might not be such a bad idea.....

Sorry about your financial beating though, MapMaker.

airplanenut · October 31, 2003 7:31AM

<< <i>airplanenut: To get 6 designations on the coin (Corroded, Holed, Damaged, Tooled, Graffiti, Bent) can you imagine the time they must have spent on the coin? Instead of the usual flip 5 seconds....Bida Bing Bida Boom GRADED!....must have been an entire minute!

Truly a rare coin in that sense. >>

Nah... I told them what to put there... it's on the submission form

(actually, they changed it

)

Notice there's no barcode

1jester · October 31, 2003 7:32AM

APNut, at least it's not "cleaned"!! LOL.

airplanenut · October 31, 2003 7:33AM

<< <i>APNut, at least it's not "cleaned"!! LOL.

>>

That's how it started, though

I wanted them to abbreviate damage so they could fit more on

09sVDB · October 31, 2003 8:38AM

I submitted an 09VDB Lincoln with and added S MM.

ElectricEye · October 31, 2003 9:00AM

1879-S Raw Morgan MS and PL ~ has hairlines in front of face ~ PCGS: cleaned

1887 MS63PL ANACS ~ cracked out and submitted to PCGS: MS63 no PL designation

roadrunner · October 31, 2003 10:53AM

On a fairly expensive coin I received 15% of my original price. Coin in question was a "gem proof" 1863 seated quarter I purchased raw from Early American Coins (at a show) in the mid 1980's several years before slabs. Imagine my disgust when the coin came back as AT in 1987. After lightly dipping the coin I was left with a PF62 piece of crud with lifeless cleaned surfaces. Paid $3000....sold for around $450. Imagine if I had bought a real honest coin for my $3000

roadrunner

XpipedreamR · October 31, 2003 10:58AM

I submitted a beautiful capped bust half that I though was a slam dunk 63, minimum. It came back 55. I was numb for days...

Wolf359 · November 1, 2003 3:37AM

Baley: Don't have any 10-year olds do you?

What is your worst strikeout on a coin submission?

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