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Merc 1918 Dbl Date why PCGS now SEGS?

marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Why would someone take it out of PCGS and reslab at SEGS?

What is this about uncomfirmed double date breen talk?



Anyone in smartsville with any info please!




Marc

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  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126
    That PCGS cert number (2759652) is valid for that coin, but PCGS never designated it a doubled date.

    PCGS cert #2759652.

    Jim

    Edited to add: Isn't "shelf doubled" just machine doubling?
  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭
    Hi Marc,

    Take a hint from their name. Once in a "blue moon" you might get something properly graded and worth the money. Who in their right mind would have cracked that coin out of a PCGS slab and then sent it to SEGS? Would seem much more fitting to send it to ANACS to me if you wanted the error noted. I find it interesting that it lost it's FB designation in the process. I personally don't think that PCGS label has ever had anything to do with that coin.

    Regards,

    Wayne
    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
  • SHELF Double Date is numismatic double talk for machine doubling which isn't worth diddly - and being that it's coming from Blue Moon Coins, it's doubly suspect. If that's a true double date I'll eat my hat.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570


    << <i>Iis this the "phantom Breen coin" written about years ago by Walter Breen? Is there another 1918 Mercury out there with such a pronounced double date? >>



    Seems like he has a lot of questions. He's been studying that page for so long you'd think he have some answers by now image
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  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭
    Relayer, GOOD POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can barely type! My stomach hurts! ROTFLMAOWTIME! image Uh-ho image

    Regards,

    Wayne
    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,529 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Marc,

    Take a hint from their name. Once in a "blue moon" you might get something properly graded and worth the money. Who in their right mind would have cracked that coin out of a PCGS slab and then sent it to SEGS? Would seem much more fitting to send it to ANACS to me if you wanted the error noted. I find it interesting that it lost it's FB designation in the process. I personally don't think that PCGS label has ever had anything to do with that coin.

    Regards,

    Wayne >>

    Wayne, PCGS's insert is also a part of the SEGS insert.

    peacockcoins

  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭
    Hi Braddick,

    I see it now. Is it real? If so, I see that I was wrong and I retract my earlier statement that this coin had nothing to do with the PCGS insert. Anyone have some whole wheat bread for this foot sandwich?

    Regards,

    Wayne

    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The fault with this slab does not lay with the person selling the coin but with the company that slabbed the coin. Hell its just plain machine doubling which is real common with Mercs.

    Wayne take a look at your 18P. I believe you will see the same thing on yours if the memory serves me correctly. image

    Ken
  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    SEGS is notorious for slabbing dubious and questionable varieties that PCGS/NGC/ANACS won't touch with a ten foot pole. This is one of the reasons they are garbage. This is a perfect case of strike doubling.


  • << <i>The fault with this slab does not lay with the person selling the coin but with the company that slabbed the coin. Hell its just plain machine doubling which is real common with Mercs. >>



    If that's the case, why didn't they start the auction at $1 and let the market determine it's fair price. Instead they purposely make the coin look like a true rarity by hawking it at a ridiculous price - don't tell me these guys don't know better!
  • TassaTassa Posts: 2,373 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Iis this the "phantom Breen coin" written about years ago by Walter Breen? Is there another 1918 Mercury out there with such a pronounced double date? >>



    Seems like he has a lot of questions. He's been studying that page for so long you'd think he have some answers by now image >>



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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    disgusting to say the least.

    obviously fishing for some coin newbie with more money than brains.

    hey, it only takes one sucker to bite and they make a fortune.

    worth a shot huh?.......image

    how under-handed.

    stinks to high heaven i tell ya. image
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frank they know better for sure....good point. Actually I have been in thier establishment in person once....that was enough.

    Ken
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you guys cracked me up - I definently have the whole picture here - thanks to all! image

    I sensed something was wrong when you have the seller include a picture of himself reading a book - I wonder if that is the Breen book he's trying to decipher in that picture?

    Marc
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Long ago, I started a date/mint set of doubled date merc dimes. I don't remember precisely the number that I found, but it was more than 30 different, because I sold the set for more than $150 and had it figured at $5 per coin.
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    I should have added that some of the doubling was so dramatic that it was readily apparent even without a glass. Anymore, I practically need the glass just to know the type.
  • Doesn't SEGS have their niche ?? I remember hearing the Full Step Jefferson Nickel Society loves those guys for their attribution of full steps, etc.

    As for Blue Moon...got my 93-S Morgan NGC F-12 from them for $1500, so I don't hate 'em.image
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    I knew PCI was famous for slabbing crap machine doubling as something valuable, but I never knew SEGS was into doing that as well.
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  • Note that SEGS put quotes around the words shelf doubled. I would say that SEGS was specificly asked to note the doubling on the label and SEGS put in the qotes to call attention to the fact that there is something odd about the "doubling". Probably whoever owned the PCGS slab noted the doubling and wanted it mentioned. PCGS wouldn't do it so they turned to SEGS.

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