Kennedy SMS Question

grover1

Hi,

I know on the 1964 Proof's there were some that were considered accented hair and I know that the G has serifs and the ray's don't touch the eagle.....my question is on the 1965 SMS is accented hair standard or is this something that would be a nice find the same as a 64 set?

Thanks

Matt

Cam40

`65 JFKs can have the accented hair design?

Russ

The Accented Hair variety exists only as a 1964 proof coin.

Russ, NCNE

cosmos66

Can someone post a pic of accented hair as well as an explanation of what to look for?

grover1

yes a picture would be nice and that answered the question of whether a 65 SMS can have it...you would almost swear it does but if it don't it don't :-))

Thanks for the help

Matt

airplanenut

<< <i>Can someone post a pic of accented hair as well as an explanation of what to look for? >>

Give Russ 1 minute for his linky

Russ

Jeremy,

I no longer give out the link. I have enough competition.

Just kidding, here it is.

Russ, NCNE

cosmos66

Great link Russ! Very educational and it certainly answered my question.

Thanks again ... Paul

grover1

thanks russ, a very nice link to explain what to look for.


thanks again

matt

DHeath

I'm just starting with Kennedies too, and was wondering if you'd tell me where you buy yours?

cosmos66

<< <i>I'm just starting with Kennedies too, and was wondering if you'd tell me where you buy yours? >>



That is a good question. People have said that they go to banks and buy rolls of half dollars and cherry pick them. I went to 4 banks last week and they all looked at me like I was nuts when I asked for them. I am guessing they can be ordered though and that is my next trip to the bank tomorrow.

Russ

<< <i>I'm just starting with Kennedies too, and was wondering if you'd tell me where you buy yours? >>



Bite me, Don. Lately the only time I get anything is when you're taking a nap and Marty can't get past the border of some foreign country!

Russ, NCNE

Cam40

grover1

just to answer curiosity, is it standard for the 65 SMS to look like the pics of the accented hair in the link provided for the 64 PF in this thread????

Thanks

Matt

Russ

Matt,

If you ever found a 1965 SMS coin that looked like the Accented Hair, you'd have one nice chunk of cash in your hands. All 1965 coins were minted with the second obverse die. The Accented Hair is the first obverse die.

Russ, NCNE

grover1

Russ,

are you saying then that the rays on the back should look like the picture on the right and not the one on the left for a 65 SMS, and the G should have serifs and not be a straight line....the one I'm glassing right now has no serif on the G and no rays touch the eagle they all stop well before the eagle...I'm glassing the front again to see if it matches up with the accented hair pics on the link

matt

DHeath

Hey, it was worth a try.

grover1

I'm trying to get some decent pics of it scanned as well but my scanner never works good for kennedy's, ikes, and quarters, anything else it works just fine....as long as I can get the detail to show up good I'll post ASAP

Russ

Matt,

All of what you just described on the reverse can be the result of a weak strike or an abraded die.

Russ, NCNE

grover1

ok, I re-read the link provided.....could this be what I have going on and then would it bring a premium on the coin for it?

quoted from http://www.ipotad.com/pages/ah2.html

"Something important to note about the reverse diagnostics is that they are not 100% reliable in determining the variety and should not be used as a stand-alone assessment tool. This is because reverse die #1 was also paired with obverse die #2. These are known as the "transitional variety" and, while rather uncommon, they do exist. Matter of fact, I came across one while shooting the pictures for this page"

that would seem more appropriate than accented hair IMO

Matt

Russ

Matt,

Nope. All 1965 coins were minted with reverse die #2. So, they're all ODV-2/RDV-2.

Russ, NCNE

grover1

OK here are the pics....the reverse is what has my curiosity the most

is anybody following this thread going to be at the moon show next weekend in Minneapolis? The back is very well struck and clearly looks like the 64 accented hair reverse, the obverse looks accented as well but I've only got the pictures of the hair to go by on the link, this coin I bought today in a SMS set at a local show and looks nothing like any of my other proof kennedy's. I have 2 pics to look at but like I said my scanner does horrible on kennedy's but hopefully you get a good enough idea from them

pic1
pic2

DHeath

Matt,

The accented hair variety half was produced very early in 64. The "accented" descriptor refers to the additional few hairs shaped like a wishbone above the ear on the obverse. The reverse of the AH half is known as the broken ray reverse. There were a few transitional 64 halves that had a normal obverse and a broken ray reverse produced before the die was retired, and many additional die pairs were used to produce 64 halves before your coin was struck. Looking at the pics, your coin has a normal obverse and reverse (normal for 65). Many times the rightmost star under the banner will partially disturb the ray, but under a loupe, it is easy to see the difference between the disturbance and the broken ray 64 reverse. You observed correctly that your coin was unlike any of the "proof" JFKs you own. Your coin is not a proof, but rather a mint state coin that was produced with slightly more care than the circ strikes.

Hope that helps, and happy hunting!

mnmcoin

Anybody else think it is funny that of the two coins that Russ chose for his analysis, the AH one has considerably deeper mirrors and virtually no spots or distractions, while the normal one has lustrous mirrors and some gunk on the cheeks...after he went on and on in his initial description about how AH coins are extremely scarce with deep mirrors and no spots.

I can only gather that AH are not scarce at all with deep mirrors, no spots and cameo contrast...so you might as well just send them to me and I'll take them off your hands for silver.

morris <><

grover1

thankyou very much, that is why I keep coming back to this board. When I find something and can't get my answer I know there is knowledge reading on this board.

Thanks for sharing the wisdom

Matt