how rare is a toned CC morgan?

mbbiker

I havn't seen many toned cc mogans, i'm not talking monster just a cc morgan with a little bit of color.

stman

Here is one with a little color.

Tassa

Nice.

Cam40

SCHWEET!!!!!!!

little bit of color huh.

like Charles Manson is a little bit crazy?

GSAguy would know for sure but I think maybe like 80% or better? are blast-white.

Steve27

Every time I go to the local coin show, I see a guy with a bunch of them in GSA holders. I don't know what he wants for them, because I prefer the full luster coins.

razorface1027

Here is one with a little color.


SHARP piece Stman....Wanna sell it?....

jbsteven

ArtR

mbbiker
To try and answer your question. I would not consider a toned CC Dollar rare. There were thousands that were sold in the mixed category of the GSA Sales. According to VanAllen/ Mallis there were 17,000 of the 80CC date alone.

RotatedRainbows

According to VanAllen/ Mallis there were 17,000 of the 80CC date alone.

I used to own a nice 80-CC but now MR. I want every nice toned Morgan in the world owns it.

ArtR

Seeing as we are talking toned CC's, I will say that over the years I have only seen 7 or 8 that I would put into what is known as the Monster category. I have been looking at and buying toned Morgans since 1973. I also will admit that I have not seen any where near the total of Toned CC Morgans that are in existence. So there are probably more out there stashed away in collections. Prior to 1921 the CC Dollar without a doubt is the rarest Morgan with great toning.

Deadhorse

ArtR,

You couldn't possible have been buying toned Morgans since 1973.

Please look at the other thread growing rapidly this morning. These coins didn't exist before 1996, who are you trying to kid here?

(tounge firmly in cheek on this end)

Tonekiller

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RotatedRainbows

Hey TK that coin sure looks familiar, I guess Mr I want to own every nice toned morgan does not own it anymore.

ArtR

<< <i>Please look at the other thread growing rapidly this morning. These coins didn't exist before 1996, who are you trying to kid here? >>



Deadhorse:

I have been on this board quite a while now, and have learned not to pay much attention to what some people Post. I have looked at the Thread you mentioned and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Just not worth the effort. At my age you need to watch your blood pressure.

Also some nice CC's guys

Toningintheblood

My answer to your question is out of experience, having assembled a couple of sets of toned certified PCGS "CC" Morgan sets in the past 10 years. You can find toned CC Morgans via GSA holdered coins, which now hundreds if not thousands have been cracked and graded by the various grading services. But toning on "CC" Morgans is very rare with full rainbow colors. Most will have speckled or mottled broken color with what appears many times to be stains or spots where the colors are broken and not consistent. I feel this can be traced to the excessive movement of bags of "CC" dollars over the years on stagecoaches, buckboards, steam locamotive railroads cross country, and the movement of the unused "CC" mintmarked coins over the years from one Federal Reserve Bank to another. I also think a fair share of the "CC" Morgan bags were exposed at one time to rain or moisture, which saturated the canvas bags and effected the coin surfaces. Thusly, causing the mottled, streaky, & spotted toning patterns of most "CC" bucks. But, remember great monster toning is the result of many straight years against or near the sulfur impregnated canvas bank bags surfaces with little or no movement.

Bottomline.......full surface rainbow or monster color combinations on "CC" Morgans is very rare. Beautiful rainbow crescents over 10-30% of the coins surface is rare, and mottled, spotty, and streaked toning with pleasant colors mixed in, is the most prevalent.

I am a couple of dates short of completing the entire "CC" set. I think GSAguy will agree with me, the tougher and rarer the "CC" date, the harder it is to find with acceptable color toning to include in your collection. I am still lacking the 79, 89, and 90-CC's in my toned set. I have been fortunate to find a 100% reverse colorfully toned 93-CC in PCGS MS-63.

gemtone65

In my experience, toned CC Morgan dollars are somewhat scarce. Most of them have what I would call "earthtone" colors, with subdued luster. You can often guess from seeing this type of color on the obverse that the coin is a CC product, as opposed to being minted elsewhere.

Monster and rainbow toned CC pieces are another story altogether. You'd think that with all the bags kept by the mint for 100 years and then eventually dispersed to the public (perhaps 500?), many more such coins would have been created. But, this is clearly not the case. I've probably seen more of these coins in GSAGuy's collection than all other places combined.

Why are monster toned CC coins so scarce, even rare? Three possiblities that I can think of: The composition of the bags differed from those used in San Francisco; the ambient conditions were different than from other mints; the coins spent too much time being toned in the bags.

Any other theories?

techeff

ArtR

<< <i>Why are monster toned CC coins so scarce, even rare? Three possiblities that I can think of: The composition of the bags differed from those used in San Francisco; the ambient conditions were different than from other mints; the coins spent too much time being toned in the bags >>



One other thing I would like to throw out there. A great majority of CC dollars come with heavy frost. The few CC's I have seen with truly great toning did not carry a heavy frost. It seems that the CC's with this heavy frost will tone with a slighty cloudy look, which hinders the vividness of the colors. Has any one else noticed this or am I just out in left field.

ArtR

toningintheblood:
You need to carry that set to the FUN Show so I can take a peek.

Tonekiller

<< <i>Hey TK that coin sure looks familiar, I guess Mr I want to own every nice toned morgan does not own it anymore. >>




I get a few from him ever so often. The wait is always worth it.

Bryan

ArtR

<< <i>I get a few from him ever so often. >>



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