Has this morgan been cleaned? Can't believe it!

techeff

According to PCGS it has. It came back bodybagged as "Cleaning"... WHAT!?

GaCoinGuy

Maybe.......the pic doesn't show any luster which makes me think its a bad dip job thats retoned......are the colors that drab in real life? And theres something funky around the birds head..........otherwise, it looks like it has a few tick marks, but isn't entirely displeasing to me.

poptopsRus

I've seen gotten what looked to be nice BU coins covered with ugly toning before; and dipped them only to find out that they were cleaned or polished and the toning covered it up. Tough to tell from the pic and I've been fooled before.

Russ

<< <i>dipped them only to find out that they were cleaned or polished and the toning covered it up. >>



Same here. I had an 1887 Morgan bodybagged at PCGS for artificial toning. Sent it off to NGC and it got bodybagged for cleaning. I thought, hmm, what's the dealio? Dipped that sucker and found a boatload of hairlines under the toning.

Russ, NCNE

stman

If you haven't done so already.... you need to really get it under a good light, with a good loupe, and tilt it around at different angles. Tilt and turn the coin every which way.... and you should be able to see any hairlines (if any) that may be present under the toning.

lordmarcovan

According to PCGS' own grading guide, a coin that has been retoned or artificially toned will have colors that "float on the surface" of the coin. The colors on your coin look that way to me.

BUT...

the colors on more than half of the "rainbow" Morgans that are already IN PCGS plastic look that way to me, too. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being able to tell the difference. I've never been that strong at detecting an old cleaning.

techeff

There aren't any hairlines on the surface. There's a scratch above the eagle's head, but that's about it. There is a break in the toning around the inside of the eagle's neck which I thought was a little strange. Should I send it to NCS?

dragon

Yes, been cleaned and poorly retoned. Even if it wasn't cleaned, it would get bagged for the tone.


dragon

Russ

<< <i>Should I send it to NCS? >>



If the image is accurate, that coin is way too far gone for them to do anything to help it.

Russ, NCNE

techeff

NCS? What am I smokin'? Definately not worth it!!

Thanks Russ.

DHeath

Techeff,

Maybe you already know this, but just in case, I thought this pic might be helpful to those that don't know what hairlines from an old cleaning look like. You can see from the pics that angle is critical. From the scan, it appears they are present from the chin headed south.

MacCoin

no luster at all and real uneven tone I'ld guess AT

Baley

I always wonder why people send common date coins in common grades to the TPG companies.

Now I know... It's for the education