How much wax do you have?

shouldabeena10 · October 9, 2003 10:01PM

I just got finished reading a couple of threads where people are paying big bucks again for mid 80's PSA 10's (pop 1 of 1), and I can't seem to understand their logic....

Most of the collectors I know have several boxes (if not closets) full of 80's wax, cellos, racks, vending, etc. that they haven't even thought about opening yet. (Until they see these guys paying $40 to $100 for a high graded common).

Anyway, I thought it might be interesting to see how many of you have a "wax stash" too.

What years, and approx. how much unopened material do you have stored away for the long, cold winter?

mrc32 · October 9, 2003 10:11PM

I have about 8 boxes of 1990 (First year- ?) Skybox basketball Series 2. It isn't worth the paper it is printed on, but back in the day I loved that stuff.

RayBShotz · October 9, 2003 10:13PM

I have one unopened Vending case of 1986 Topps Baseball. If the power goes out for an extended period of time in the winter, my generator quits, and my car wont start I keep it around for kindling. I am told those tightly wrapped "bricks" actually burn for quite a while. :-)
RayB69Topps

Not For Sale Though...it's sort of like my Pet Rock.

BobS · October 9, 2003 10:54PM

I don't have much. Just a handful of single packs from the 70's, a wax box each of Topps base. from 1980-1986, and a run of fleer bask. wax boxes from 1986-1989. Not going to retire with any of this stuff.

gregmo32 · October 10, 2003 12:11AM

I have been selectively buying single wax packs and boxes for years and have a decent amount stored up. A box of 1977 Topps Baseball and Football (how rare is this box for some reason?) and Basketball. Five or six boxes of 1977 Star Wars cards, including the increasingly difficult first series. 1978 Topps Football box, Three boxes of 1981 Topps Football, 1986 Topps Football. And my favorite -- a pack of 1969 Topps Basketball and four packs of 1970 Topps Basketball. Also a bunch of packs of 1981 Topps Basketball and some random loose packs from the 1970's. They are fun to have and except when I lose my mind and open 25 rack packs of 1979 and 1980 Football for no apparent reason only to get a stack of off centered semi stars and commons I am glad I keep them in the house...

dbj77 · October 10, 2003 1:38AM

MRc2, only 8 or so, I'm sitting on a case of 1990 skybox and 1990 hoops. As well as enough vending boxes of 1984 and 1986 topps to make deutchergeist happy........

mrc32 · October 10, 2003 1:51AM

dbj77-
YES, ONLY 8!

You see I opened the rest of the case. Now I have some 5 super monster boxes of CHERRY mint 1990 skybox commons. I plan to retire on those cards when grading early 90s basketball really takes off.

I'll sell you 500 Derrick Coleman Draft Cards for $10 a piece.....c'mon you know its a bargin!

See you in 2090, when those babies are 100 years old!

pc · October 10, 2003 1:55AM

i only have 1 wax box for each year from 1960 -1973

Fabfrank · October 10, 2003 2:16AM

With this topic you really need to be specific about the year you're discussing. Some years are easier to get 10's than others. You also have to look at each sport. Lets use 1985 Topps for example. 85 Topps baseball has it's issues (print spots, some fuzzy photography, color quality) but it's possible to get 10's. 85 Topps football (black borders, chipping) is virtually impossible to get 10's. Don't get me wrong, you can get them. But you would have to break and submit large quantities for a shot.
RayBshotz mentioned 86 Topps baseball. Vintage collectors scoff at this modern stuff, but 86 is a tough year for baseball and football. Baseball has the dual colored borders. The black border portion shows every nick of white and whenever there is a print mark, it seems to land on the border. Card stock is poor and there are centering issues. With football centering and chipping are the big problems and the card stock is just as bad as baseball.
Bottom line is you could have a vending case (rack cases are better for this year) and get very few cards that are submittable.

Basilone · October 10, 2003 2:18AM

<< <i>i only have 1 wax box for each year from 1960 -1973 >>

Only 1?? Come on PC.....you can do better than that!

John

1420sports · October 10, 2003 3:44AM

I got a lot of wax, and that is why I have a hard time hearing out of one ear.

Tipem · October 10, 2003 3:57AM

I had a wax box from 72-80 until I sold them to fund my 56 set project.Probably not a good idea investment wise but at least I can see the cards that I am collecting now.

You can only look at those wax boxes so often. I do miss them though.

Vic

When I posted this I was not thinking about my recent stuff.

I have 4 cases of both 1st and 2nd series wax of Upper Deck from 90,91,and 92.Also,a box of 84 Donruss wax.A couple of 92 skybox wax and 2 92 Upper Deck hockey boxes.

SUPERPUNK813 · October 10, 2003 6:44AM

I have about 60 GAI graded packs and 40-50 ungraded packs from 1967-1979 all sports.........i buy a few, i sell a few and sometimes i even open a few which is lots of fun.

Ive busted the following wax packs this year and ive pulled a bunch of cards that graded PSA 8 and 9 NQ.

10-1975 Topps Basketball
2-1974 Topps Basketball
1-1973 Topps Basketball
2-1972 Topps Basketball
5-1972 Topps Hockey
1-1970 Topps Football

Paul.

braves72078 · October 10, 2003 6:55AM

Never enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mantlefan · October 10, 2003 10:22AM

In my vault:

1955 Bowman BB 5 cent
1955 Topps BB 1 cent
1958 Topps BB 1 cent
1960 Topps BB 5 cent
1962 Topps BB 5 cent
1966 Topps BB 5 cent

1959 Topps FB 1 cent
1960 Topps FB 5 cent
1961 Fleer FB Wax Box
1962 Topps FB 5 cent
1963 Topps FB 5 cent
1964 Philly FB 5 cent
1964 Philly FB 10 cent cello

Not sure what to do with them. Keep? sell? open?

Buccaneer · October 10, 2003 10:36AM

So...anyone has a 1970 Topps baseball pack to sell or trade?

Superpunk813: Interested in parting with your 70 Topps football?

Just curious....

SUPERPUNK813 · October 10, 2003 11:32AM

I only have two 1970 Topps Football packs left and there both graded GAI 8, i would sell them if the offer was right. If your up for some SPAM i just listed a nice GAI 8 1972 Topps Football Series 2 wax pack on eBay (eBay #2758755977).

Paul.

GoSoxBoSox · October 10, 2003 11:42AM

3 boxes of 1979 Topps Football
4 boxes of 1980 Topps Baseball
4 boxes of 1982 Topps Baseball
16 boxes of 1983 Topps Baseball
11 boxes of 1985 Donruss Baseball
34 boxes of 1988 Topps, Fleer & Score Baseball
1 box of 1988 Donruss Pop-Ups Baseball
3 box of 1988 Topps BIG Baseball

Buccaneer · October 10, 2003 11:54AM

Superpunk: I'll keep on eye on the 72 pack.

shouldabeena10 · October 10, 2003 12:00PM

Frank -

Nice Vault!!

How much is the 61 Fleer Wax Box worth?

- Mike

Griffins · October 10, 2003 12:02PM

I've got a few wax packs from '60-'74, just started trying to get one from each year. I do have a full case of '88 Donruss, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Probably end up using it to start a bonfire one day.

Buccaneer- I just sent 4 '70 packs in for grading, I'm interested in trading one or more.

Mantlefan · October 10, 2003 12:14PM

How much is the 61 Fleer Wax Box worth?

No idea. Cost me $3K in 1996.

GoSoxBoSox · October 10, 2003 12:17PM

Frank,

It would eat me alive every day until I opened those '61 packs. Then the remorse would set in when I see how off-cut each card is.

Buccaneer · October 10, 2003 12:19PM

Griffins: Please send me an email when you get them back. I could trade for one of them. Baseball or football? Either is fine with me.

jmoran19 · October 10, 2003 12:24PM

Luckily I started to collect unopened stuff in 1997 when it was fairly cheap. Just started to get them graded (none have been rejected yet), here's what I have for baseball:

16 rack packs 1968 - 1978
13 cello packs 1969 - 1975, 1979
25 wax packs 1970 - 1974
full 75 mini box
10 76 and 77 wax packs
full 78 box
1979 and 1980 wax trays

Football: 17 wax and cello packs, 1968 - 1974

Basketball: 35 wax packs, 1969 -1976. Also have a 73/74 rack pack

Griffins · October 10, 2003 12:42PM

Its really too bad PSA isn't grading these- they seem to be focused on ticket stubs, and I think this would prove more lucrative for them- especially when a registry set of unopened packs was created. Instead it'll end up being on Global's site.

TheCARDKid · October 10, 2003 12:52PM

$3k sounds like a bargain. With 24 packs, thats not even $150 each.

Any post 1960 FB pack would likely go for at least $200 graded. You've made at least a few grand in profit on it. Nice purchase.

packCollector · October 10, 2003 12:54PM

griffins , psa isn't doing it because the grade will be irrelevent eventually. the whole purpose with a pack is that it is authentic. the other issue is there are only a select few authenticaters that could do the job. murphy is a dealer and the obvious conflict of interest came up quick and he parted his ways with global. paul wright is the best out there and global has him so it would be tough for psa to dod it. what non dealer could they get that would be accepted by the larger vintage collectors? my guess is they will stay out for this reason and the fact that they are owned by CU and it would not be profitable becasue there isn't enough vintage wax to support the overhead. my 2 cents

my latest unopened acquisition 3 mint cellos wrapped in a rack

This one will put me out of commission for a little while

Griffins · October 10, 2003 1:08PM

Pack collector- I agree on the grading- the only thing I'm really interested in is whether the pack is authentic and untouched, the grade is irrelevant as long as the pack has eye appeal. I recently had the choice between 2 packs from the same year- one was graded 7.5 but had a tear down the side, the other was 6.5 apparentely due to cracked gum (like I was going to eat it anyway). The 6.5 had considerably more eye appeal. Guess the rule of "buy the pack, not the holder" applies.

NHLfightguy · October 10, 2003 1:09PM

2 gai 9 1984 football packs, box 86 and 87 Donruss baseball, and i like to pick up box here there of 88, 89 topps football, but bust them to chew the fine aged gum. It's impossible to get 10's from 85 or 86 topps football, those are good investment potential cards, don't care how much wax might be out there, you ain't getting lots of 10's from that stuff............NHLfightguy

Buccaneer · October 10, 2003 11:36PM

I think I got a 1989 UD box but I know I got a 1987 Donruss wax box, kept solely for the black borders. Same thing with a 1986 Topps wax box but that ain't worth diddly. Wish I had stuff in the 1970s when I was a kid but I was too busy collecting for the fun of it. When I co-managed a store in Ky in the late 1980s, we just didn't get many (if any) vintage packs or boxes.

samsammy23 · October 11, 2003 12:53AM

I have about 90 sealed boxes of 1990 Leaf series 2 (Thomas) and 60 sealed boxes of 1990 Leaf series 1 (Sosa). I still buy these when they are cheap enough. From what I've seen even the major dealers (Murphy, Kruk, Pittsburgh, and D and A) don't even have 10% of this amount left. Hopefully I'm not wrong. The range for the Series 1 boxes (Sosa) has been between $150 and $200 over the last 2 months. Needless to say, these aren't very stable.
Chad.

Wabittwax · October 11, 2003 1:24AM

You guys laugh at the 1990 Skybox basketball but I want to see somebody with the cohones (?) to attempt that set in high grade. 10's are really really tough from that set. It's numbers parallel a vintage set. Only 80 PSA 10's out of 2210 total graded. Everyone will use the excuse that they only collect "vintage" and that stuff is junk but it's just as tough as some vintage sets.

Robby · October 11, 2003 1:34AM

Shouldabeena10 , I think I,ve got all these guys beat ! I have ( 1 ) ONE BOX of 1989 Score Baseball bag packs that is extemely rare ............... These babies are just sitting in my closet , I,m crazy for not having them in a bank vault to protect them ! THIS BOX IS MY TICKET , to early retirement and riches freedom ! But Of course , for the right price , I'm willing to part with them and sell to the highest bidder !!!!!!! Min. starting bid is $10,000 for the whole box of 36 packs or I'll reluctantly sell them for $500.00 a pack (ouch)! I'M bending my arm on these prices ! Ok , let the bidding begin and make me a REASONABLE OFFER ! If necessary , Ill set up a 1-800 # to handle the influx of calls ! Don't get left out on these GEMS ...............................ROBBIE

mrc32 · October 11, 2003 3:18AM

Wabittwax-
You have got to be kidding. If you ever want to start the 1990 Skybox set....PM me. I have so many of those cards in PRISTINE condition. They are just waiting for some brave soul to grade them....

dbj77 · October 11, 2003 4:39AM

Wabbitt is right. It's hard to get perfectly centered 1990 skybox cards, that and the gold borders act like the t205 gold borders, any and all scratches/dings/chips show up like a mother. I've opened about 20 boxes so far and have only had a handful that I'm sure would grade 10's. Lots of 9's, but 9's are worthless for that issue.

Robby · October 11, 2003 4:56AM

Seriously guys , I do have ONE BOX of 1989 Score Baseball and I forgot to mention that I also have some unopened SportsFlic Baseball cards ! Drum Roll ( roll your eyes up ) !!!!!!!!!! You guys make me sick with all this un-opened Wax ! Only wish I had been as wise as all of you to purchase this stuff years back ( really did not have the money to blow then ) ! Bought alot of 80's packs at card shows and always got garbage - made me suspect that they already had been searched and resealed - anyway , lost faith in buying unopened material ! There is no way I could save unopened packs , the temptation would be to much for me ! You all have alot of impressive Wax stored away ! Congratulations on having the fortitude to resist temptation ! .................Robby

gaspipe26 · October 11, 2003 6:23AM

1-1966 3rd series wax box. I dont even look at it anymore so I'm not tempted to open it

shouldabeena10 · October 11, 2003 6:40AM

a funny wax story;

We had ants in our basement for weeks, and I couldn't figure out where they were coming from... or what they were attracted too. After much digging through old boxes... I came accross a big box I had filled with some cheap football wax boxes (about 10 years ago) and had completely forgotten about. I figured maybe the ants were going after some old gum or something, so I start taking out the boxes, and at the bottom I find a swarm of ants feasting on an old pack of 1991 Stars and Stripes.

Stars & Stripes was a test set by Fleer that had football cards and a couple of candy sticks in them. The candy sticks had melted all over the place.... and not only had the ants eaten their way through the package, they had also eaten about a nickel sized hole right through one of the cards. As I'm wiping the ants off of the card, I notice they've basically decapitated Dan Marino's head from his body. It almost looked like they did it on purpose.... you could see a little shadow where his head used to be, and they followed the outline of his helmet almost perfectly.

I wish now I would have saved the card... it would have been fun to send it in for grading!

AlanAllen · October 11, 2003 10:33AM

I've put away a few over the years

. 99% of these are different, and I don't have more than a wax box of any one thing.

qualitycards · October 11, 2003 10:45AM

<< <i> 99% of these are different >>

AA - The sad part is, during the last 20 years, this doesn't scartch the surface

...jay

AlanAllen · October 11, 2003 11:18AM

No kidding

. My collection is actually pretty complete for football in the past 20 years (a little over 1300 different), but I only have a smattering of other sports and non-sports.

Joe

Buccaneer · October 12, 2003 12:58AM

I just remembered something along the lines of Score boxes. In 1988, I bought about 14 boxes of Topps Bigs (all three series) thinking that they were special since they are very attractive cards. I still have about 3-4 boxes from each of the series but I don't even see anything about them listed anywhere. Are they that worthless?

shouldabeena10 · October 13, 2003 7:51AM

Buc -

Just sit on them for 85 more years. They'll be 100 years old and.... bound to be worth something by then.

Mike

JH · October 13, 2003 12:30PM

I have 3 packs of 1964 Topps Baseball - a penny pack, a nickel pack, and a cello pack.

I have 9 packs of 1974 Topps Baseball (it used to be 18 but I opened half of them a couple of years ago.

I have 3 boxes of 1983 Topps Baseball - 1 regular wax box, 1 cello box, and 1 Michigan Test Wax box

I also have a case of 1990 Upper Deck that I bought from a friend who needed to sell them... I think thats it....

JH · October 13, 2003 12:34PM

Sorry ... double post

Basilone · October 13, 2003 12:36PM

JH-

Just wondering...what is a Michigan Test Wax Box...any of those boxes make it to Ohio (back in the day)?

John

JH · October 13, 2003 12:42PM

The wax packs are made of a diffenrent kind of material... more like plastic than paper... Topps tried it as a test in the Michigan market that year

packCollector · October 13, 2003 10:53PM

the michigan packs are similar to 89 upper deck.

JH is your cello the red or clear version? I'm still on that elusive search for a red one.

JH · October 14, 2003 4:36AM

Pack Collector - It is the clear version

How much wax do you have?

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