<< <i>Aconte's just pi**ed 'cuz he owns all those SGC cards. But then, so do I. >>
Toppsgun,
I love my red man cards. Overall they are high end cards regardless of who graded them. On your 59 Topps set, I might give you 50% of Smr for the set considering you probably just bought them with a disregard to quality. But you probably wouldn't take the deal since I'm sure you would take a bath since you'll pay whatever it takes to finish your sets. PM me if your interested.
<For the 1964's....what is the most common attribute holding these cards back?>
The common attribute holding them back is that they are in 7 holders
I could find something wrong (other than centering) with each of them...but I can say the same thing about my 1967 PSA 8's.
I am actually having a good time putting the set together. It's not really expensive so my downside is low. When I am through, I would be willing to bet that I could make a 580 card submission and have 30-50% come back 8's.
Davillilo- Seems like you have a plan and are executing it accordingly. With your passion it's just a matter of when, not if, you complete your sets. Couple of questions. Once you complete a set in PSA 8, will you be looking to upgrade after that? Do you buy other graded cards (SGC??) to crossover to PSA? Do you see yourself doing a set in SGC holders?
Acowa- Those 7's were VERY nice. I firmly believe that the majority of 7's were submitted looking to get an 8. To pick up NM graded cards for the price of grading is a steal.
Yes, I do--I do not let personal attacks go unanswered.
FabFrank,
Perhaps,
There are three sets I am doing now in 9 or better(Two vintage and 1970 Kellogg) but the clear emphasis is to complete othyer sets in psa 8.
I have about 15 graded sgc cards--I expect to sell or trade these over time or perhaps cross them over into psa holders. No plans to build sgc sets. The only scenario I would do this is a collapse of psa scenario.
<I might give you 50% of Smr for the set considering you probably just bought them with a disregard to quality.>
Tony,
50% of SMR IS retail for SGC graded cards...you're probably paying too much...drumroll please
I'm just kidding...Tony is one of the classiest guys in the evil empire!
<Acowa- Those 7's were VERY nice. I firmly believe that the majority of 7's were submitted looking to get an 8. To pick up NM graded cards for the price of grading is a steal.>
I think most people (with the exception of my pal Boggsy) submit with a minimum of an 8 in mind on cards issued after 1960. The real bargains are the exceptionally centered cards with 4 sharp corners and a hairline crease that bumps them down to a PSA 5.
<Alan,
Nice cards--I have some extra 7s hanging around I think--I will send you the numbers.>
Sounds good. I have some low pop 1967 PSA 8's that I will sell or trade to you once you get more desperate
Maybe some day we'll do a trade. It's tough since I don't have a lot of duplicates. You got some 53's I need and a couple 55's too in Psa 8. If I get close to finishing and I get more duplicates I'll give you a shout. I got an idea of what you need to make a deal happen. Keep in mind that since I use Sgc I'd have to get the card to cross for my sets.
That Tony Aconte has some pretty deep pockets. Look what he offered for a NM+ 1959 graded Topps baseball set:
"I'd give you $2500 assuming all the cards are in the split grade holders. And I want scans loaded up so I can see photos of any card with a rating of 5 or higher. if they're good I might up my bid a tad. Let me know."
Even though I'd make a profit, I had to turn him down.
Since were listing pm's here was my response to his whine:
I looked at your set on the registry. No way that set is worth over 12g's.
I don't know the 59's and I love Sgc, but I'm no fool either. My guess is that if you put that on ebay with a start of 12k you'll be pi$$ing money away on fees. So that's my free advice to you is not to bother.
Like I said I might pay 50% of SMR. Your set has mostly 7's and 7.5's. Smr is 13k for a 7 set. You're missing one of the Mantles, Clemente, Berra, Spahn, and Koufax to name a few. And my hunch is the last 13% you need are cards that need you to bid like a man...
My comments to you are not personal. I agree my initial offer was an insult. But if you hate Sgc so much I was willing to do us both a favor. You won't get a reasonable offer from me. You're not looking for friends or kindness on the boards so you won't get it from me. I'll give that and better offers to those that deserve it.
<And my hunch is the last 13% you need are cards that need you to bid like a man... >
The world would be a better place if each and every one of us would bid like men. I watch so many auctions and I get disgusted when I see people bidding like women. Furthermore, I get truly pi$$sed off when I see people bidding like farm animals.
Even without the cat fights, this is still a pretty good thread. [chuckle, chuckle]
Two set building strategies were mentioned. There's no need to label them with someone's name. For all the years I've been in the collectibles business there have been Freudian terms for these types of collectors. One is essentially the "expulsive" approach meaning one tries to get alot of cards quickly and at times the grades "slip" to lower expectations so that the set can be built within a desired time limit. Another approach is called the "retentive" approach which is when one meticulously selects cards to meet one's expectations, which are usually high, with an indefinite time limit on the set completion. Both have problems and advantages, but that's not truly central to the issue asked by the person who started this thread.
For the person who started this thread, crsportscards33, this is what I would recommend. I presume you are building a 1960 Topps set. It pretty much depends on your budget and how long you are willing to work to complete the set. But first off I wouldn't even mess with PSA 6s for that year. The SMR is $5682 for a PSA 6 set. The grading cost for a 572 card set is roughly $4500, so I don't see the point of building a PSA 6 set or even a hybrid 6/7 set. You should set your sights on a solid PSA 7 or PSA 8 set. The SMR for a complete PSA 7 set is $9,881 and the SMR for a PSA 8 set is $21,221.
Here is a formula for you:
Time= (SMR Value)/(Yearly Budget)
If you want to do a PSA 8 set, and your yearly budget is $3000, it will take you roughly 7 years to complete the set.
If you want to do a PSA 7 set, and your yearly budget is $2500, it will take you roughly 4 years to complete the set.
Obviously I don't have any idea what your budget is or your amount of patience you are willing to put into this project, but you get the idea.
If you've got a woman's money, then bid like a woman. If you've got no money, then bid like a dog. (Scratch and sniff crotches.)
Tonie, which one of those Red Man Tobacco sets was your toughest? The 30-card set or the 86% complete 8.18 set?
I get it now. You and Dav like to complete those itty-bitty sets first to get you pumped to move up to the 85-card monsters.
Joe Wilson has the '59 set 90% complete in all 8's. He's asking $30,000 for it. Maybe you two could pool your resources and split it up. My guess is Dav would get about 510 cards, Tonie would get the other 2. But then he'd be on a budget to cross them both over to SGC.
Hey mrc32, as if that's your real name, who the hel asked you for your opinion ?
You act so all high and mighty above the fray, what with your boardwalk type icon and such, but I'm betting that deep down inside you're no better, or probably worse, than the rest of us. I don't like WHAT you collect, I don't like the WAY you collect, and I certainly don't like YOU ...
So, go stick that in your pipe and smoke it ... How's that for controversy ?
Let's see, We have about 8 or 10 people really talking smack,some possibly drunk and somebody smoking something in a pipe.Sounds like a party!!!! Maybe we should continue this at next years luncheon!!! I can't wait!!!!!!!
Vic
Please be kind to me. Even though I'm now a former postal employee, I'm still capable of snapping at any time.
Comments
<< <i>Aconte's just pi**ed 'cuz he owns all those SGC cards. But then, so do I. >>
Toppsgun,
I love my red man cards. Overall they are high end cards regardless of who graded them.
On your 59 Topps set, I might give you 50% of Smr for the set considering you probably
just bought them with a disregard to quality.
deal since I'm sure you would take a bath since you'll pay whatever it takes to finish
your sets. PM me if your interested.
aconte
The common attribute holding them back is that they are in 7 holders
I could find something wrong (other than centering) with each of them...but I can say the same thing about my 1967 PSA 8's.
I am actually having a good time putting the set together. It's not really expensive so my downside is low. When I am through, I would be willing to bet that I could make a 580 card submission and have 30-50% come back 8's.
Regards,
Alan
"2)Dan doesn't feel the need to respond to people like you."
Obviously, you do.
Amusing that you now speak for Dan, too. I know Dan. Dan is a close, personal friend of mine...oh, never mind.
Acowa- Those 7's were VERY nice. I firmly believe that the majority of 7's were submitted looking to get an 8. To pick up NM graded cards for the price of grading is a steal.
If you need some nice 1960's...I have a few laying around that I could make you a good deal on. Here's a scan:
I can be reached at cowart@adelphia.net
Regards,
Alan
Yes, I do--I do not let personal attacks go unanswered.
FabFrank,
Perhaps,
There are three sets I am doing now in 9 or better(Two vintage and 1970 Kellogg) but the clear emphasis is to complete othyer sets in psa 8.
I have about 15 graded sgc cards--I expect to sell or trade these over time or perhaps cross them over into psa holders. No plans to build sgc sets. The only scenario I would do this is a collapse of psa scenario.
Davalillo
just bought them with a disregard to quality.>
Tony,
50% of SMR IS retail for SGC graded cards...you're probably paying too much...drumroll please
I'm just kidding...Tony is one of the classiest guys in the evil empire!
<Acowa- Those 7's were VERY nice. I firmly believe that the majority of 7's were submitted looking to get an 8. To pick up NM graded cards for the price of grading is a steal.>
I think most people (with the exception of my pal Boggsy) submit with a minimum of an 8 in mind on cards issued after 1960. The real bargains are the exceptionally centered cards with 4 sharp corners and a hairline crease that bumps them down to a PSA 5.
<Alan,
Nice cards--I have some extra 7s hanging around I think--I will send you the numbers.>
Sounds good. I have some low pop 1967 PSA 8's that I will sell or trade to you once you get more desperate
Regards,
Alan
Sounds like a fair deal--not there yet but in 2004 sometime I will be.
Dav
<< <i>50% of SMR IS retail for SGC graded cards...you're probably paying too much...drumroll please >>
Now you tell me. I might have to go even lower.
aconte
Maybe some day we'll do a trade. It's tough since I don't have a lot of duplicates.
You got some 53's I need and a couple 55's too in Psa 8. If I get close to finishing
and I get more duplicates I'll give you a shout. I got an idea of what you need to
make a deal happen. Keep in mind that since I use Sgc I'd have to get the card
to cross for my sets.
aconte
That Tony Aconte has some pretty deep pockets. Look what he offered for a NM+ 1959 graded Topps baseball set:
"I'd give you $2500 assuming all the cards are in the split grade holders. And I want scans
loaded up so I can see photos of any card with a rating of 5 or higher. if they're good
I might up my bid a tad. Let me know."
Even though I'd make a profit, I had to turn him down.
I looked at your set on the registry. No way that set is worth over 12g's.
I don't know the 59's and I love Sgc, but I'm no fool either. My guess is that
if you put that on ebay with a start of 12k you'll be pi$$ing money away on
fees. So that's my free advice to you is not to bother.
Like I said I might pay 50% of SMR. Your set has mostly 7's and 7.5's.
Smr is 13k for a 7 set. You're missing one of the Mantles, Clemente, Berra, Spahn,
and Koufax to name a few. And my hunch is the last 13% you need are
cards that need you to bid like a man...
My comments to you are not personal. I agree my initial offer was an insult.
But if you hate Sgc so much I was willing to do us both a favor. You won't get
a reasonable offer from me. You're not looking for friends or kindness on the boards
so you won't get it from me. I'll give that and better offers to those that deserve
it.
Bye!
cards that need you to bid like a man... >
The world would be a better place if each and every one of us would bid like men. I watch so many auctions and I get disgusted when I see people bidding like women. Furthermore, I get truly pi$$sed off when I see people bidding like farm animals.
Regards,
Alan
Two set building strategies were mentioned. There's no need to label them with someone's name. For all the years I've been in the collectibles business there have been Freudian terms for these types of collectors. One is essentially the "expulsive" approach meaning one tries to get alot of cards quickly and at times the grades "slip" to lower expectations so that the set can be built within a desired time limit. Another approach is called the "retentive" approach which is when one meticulously selects cards to meet one's expectations, which are usually high, with an indefinite time limit on the set completion. Both have problems and advantages, but that's not truly central to the issue asked by the person who started this thread.
For the person who started this thread, crsportscards33, this is what I would recommend. I presume you are building a 1960 Topps set. It pretty much depends on your budget and how long you are willing to work to complete the set. But first off I wouldn't even mess with PSA 6s for that year. The SMR is $5682 for a PSA 6 set. The grading cost for a 572 card set is roughly $4500, so I don't see the point of building a PSA 6 set or even a hybrid 6/7 set. You should set your sights on a solid PSA 7 or PSA 8 set. The SMR for a complete PSA 7 set is $9,881 and the SMR for a PSA 8 set is $21,221.
Here is a formula for you:
Time= (SMR Value)/(Yearly Budget)
If you want to do a PSA 8 set, and your yearly budget is $3000, it will take you roughly 7 years to complete the set.
If you want to do a PSA 7 set, and your yearly budget is $2500, it will take you roughly 4 years to complete the set.
Obviously I don't have any idea what your budget is or your amount of patience you are willing to put into this project, but you get the idea.
Good luck!
It's a wonderful life!
There are many of us silently enjoying the entertainment you guys are providing!
If you've got a woman's money, then bid like a woman. If you've got no money, then bid like a dog. (Scratch and sniff crotches.)
Tonie, which one of those Red Man Tobacco sets was your toughest? The 30-card set or the 86% complete 8.18 set?
I get it now. You and Dav like to complete those itty-bitty sets first to get you pumped to move up to the 85-card monsters.
Joe Wilson has the '59 set 90% complete in all 8's. He's asking $30,000 for it. Maybe you two could pool your resources and split it up. My guess is Dav would get about 510 cards, Tonie would get the other 2. But then he'd be on a budget to cross them both over to SGC.
Hey mrc32, as if that's your real name, who the hel asked you for your opinion ?
You act so all high and mighty above the fray, what with your boardwalk type icon and such,
but I'm betting that deep down inside you're no better, or probably worse, than the rest of us.
I don't like WHAT you collect, I don't like the WAY you collect, and I certainly don't like YOU ...
So, go stick that in your pipe and smoke it ...
How's that for controversy ?
cum-bay-ah, m'lord, cum-bay-ah ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Man,
Let's see, We have about 8 or 10 people really talking smack,some possibly drunk and somebody smoking something in a pipe.Sounds like a party!!!!
Vic