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Is The 1922 No D Strong Reverse Lincoln The Toughest In "RD"? (Info, Analysis, & POLL)

If you answer NO to the poll, please reply to the thread with which coin you beleive is tougher to get in RD (EXCLUDING the coins below I've noted) - THANX!!! image

An interesting note: Of ALL the current PCGS "Lincoln Cents w/Varieties Circulation Strikes 1909-58" sets registered NO ONE that has a visible set has the 1922 No D Strong Reverse in RD. Strangely enough, even though the "Tom Mershon" set - is 100% complete AND 100% RED - that 22 No D is a RB??? image

I was a little puzzled, confused, and surprised at the data below (after I let it all sink in) image :

PCGS Coin# 3285 1922 No D 1C Strong Reverse BN

** Pops **
VG-VF 1276
....XF40 119
....XF45 117
.....AU50 40
.....AU53 15
.....AU55 23
.....AU58 19
......MS60 2
......MS61 0
......MS62 8
......MS63 5
......MS64 1
......MS65 0
Total BN's VG or Better = 1,625

PCGS Coin# 3286 1922 No D 1C Strong Reverse RB

VG-VF 0
...XF40 0
...XF45 0
..AU50 0
..AU53 0
..AU55 0
..AU58 1
..MS60 0
..MS61 0
..MS62 1
..MS63 2
..MS64 4
..MS65 2
Total RB's VG or Better = 10

PCGS Coin# 3287 1922 No D 1C Strong Reverse RD

VG-VF 4
...XF40 1
...XF45 1
..AU50 1
..AU53 0
..AU55 0
..AU58 2
..MS60 0
..MS61 0
..MS62 0
..MS63 1
..MS64 1
..MS65 0
Total RD's VG or Better = 11

QuestionS:
1. Is this the toughest coin in RED in the whole series from a percentage of the total known pop perspective - 0.67%? (I DO know in absolute numbers the 1917 DD, 1922 Weak D, 1922 No D Weak Reverse, 1936 DD T1, 1943 Copper, 1943-D Copper, 1958 DD, & 1969-S DD all have a lower pop in RD but ONLY the 58 DD, 1943 & 1943-D copper have a lower pop in MS or better in RD - i.e. 1, 0, & 0 respectively)
2. Why doesn't PCGS report the grades less than VG in the online pop report?
3. Do they report ALL grades (e.g. Poor 1 up to G06 as well as those listed in the online pop report) in the printed version of the pop report? The same queestion applies to the breakdown of VG8, VG10, F12, F15, VF20, VF25, & VF30.
4. What's up with the "RED" pops for the VG-AU58? I know I've had other coins (3 1971 DD's e.g.) that PCGS has assigned the coin number of the "RED" of the series to, but is this an oversight or glitch or do they really beleive they are worthy of such a designation?
5. Assuming the "RED" designation is valid for the circulated examples, what premium over & above the BN's should they command (at a minimum in terms of a percentage) with respect to the grey sheet prices that are for ALL BN up to & including grades of MS60?

Keep in mind, this means that there are ONLY 11 coins of this date in existence that will allow someone to complete their registry set (Lincoln Cents with varieties 1909-58) in 100% RD (as it seems all the rage to do). image

Comments

  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
    It is hard for me to believe that any Lincoln cent with a grade below AU could possibly be treated as a RD (95% or more red). My guess, based on past situations, is that these coins were originally graded back when PCGS did not classify copper as either RD, RB or BN. The one classification number, ultimately became the RD classification number and PCGS, not having an easy solution, just let those coins become part of the RD classification for all history. What they should do is just make ANY copper coin with a grade lower than AU to be automatically BN. Problem is that nobody at PCGS in authority has the time to really deal with these situations. All the above is JMHO of course. Steveimage
  • Steve,

    The 3 1971 DD's I referred to in question #4 (all AU58), were assigned the "RD" designation just about a month ago (even though the RB designation already existed) - so as for the "old" theory, I just don't know. You'd have to make a case that AFTER 4 VG-VF's were graded THEN they started to differentiate with the BN & RB coin #. image
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    you say only a month ago ?

    i found a 71 double die in pocket change ...pcgs graded it au -58 but there was no designation as to it being red or red brown.

    personally it was as red as any......so which one is my coin?
  • Mike,

    I noticed the one you made both in your set AND in the pop report. I think you did it just before I did. If you look on your holder, I'm SURE the coin # is 92941 - i.e. the cert number probably reads somthing like 92941.58/1234567. If it were a RB, the coin # (i.e. everything TO THE LEFT OF THE DECIMAL POINT) would read 92940. In fact I made 9 of the last 10 of the 71 DD's - you made the other (Sorry to everyone else for me & Mike being SOLELY responsible for the pops doubling since June or so - Maybe you oughta shoulda not admitted you've been a party to that Mike image) . The 4 AU's I made were 3 RD & 1 RB. In fact, in your registry set, although it only says AU58, it HAS been designated as RD. If you do a cert verification it will probably also just come up as AU58, with no desig. You can get this corrected in the PCGS database so that it will be reported as AU58RD if you contact them, but since the coin # is for RD and for the percent RD calculation it calculates it as RD, there's really no need to do that. I hope I answered your question.

    Take Care,

    Roger image
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