Any recent Crossover submissions?

Gilbert

In the last month or so? Did PCGS include their reasoning? Did they follow your instructions?

Just got notified of a completed crossover submission. Got 50% and am wondering if I can expect a reason why a NGC MS64 Morgan dollar wouldn't even cross to MS63 - maybe they didn't even consider 63, even though I allowed for a 1 point downgrade. BTW, this was a HNAI acquisition that really should have crossed at one of the two grades.

As for the other DNC, well it was a NGC MS62PL (after NCS). I kinda' expected to get stiffed on that one.

The other two; well NGC MS63 and a ANACS MS64. (Hey Frank - I'm pretty sure the 63 was the misattributed 7/8tf with the nice peripheral toning you sold me; the 64 was a '78 Vam 41a I got from "chugalug" on eBay

1 21349630 1878 8TF S$1 DNC
2 21349631 1878 7/8TF S$1 Weak MS63
3 21349632 1878 7/8TF S$1 Weak MS64
4 21349633 1878 7/8TF S$1 Weak DNC

Date Received: 09/08/2003
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

Russ

Just had a Two Center DNC'd and no, PCGS didn't include their reasoning. It's currently back in - cracked out this time.



<< <i>NGC MS64 Morgan dollar wouldn't even cross to MS63 - maybe they didn't even consider 63, even though I allowed for a 1 point downgrade. >>



Same scenario with the above Two Cent piece. NGC MS64RB, and I put a minimum of MS63RB on the cross.

As noted on the submissions page, though, they are not providing information on crossovers.

Russ, NCNE

Robgetty

Recently 0-4, no explanations with the 4, and that included one that David Hall gave an
opinion on at the ANA in Baltimore before I submitted it. Oh well.

BigD5

I don't send in many crossovers, maybe a half a dozen a year. Mostly ANACS coins, trying to get into an NGC holder. I don't even consider crossing a pcgs to ngc, or ngc to pcgs. I don't see the benefit. I know there are some modern series where a pcgs coin has a much higher value in the pcgs holder, but other than that.....
Is it Registry reasons for the crossover attempts of ngc coins to pcgs?
Uniformity with the rest of your sets'?
I ask because crossovers can be expensive.
Thanks in advance.

Gilbert

BigD5

It's uniformity - I'm sometimes anal retentive like that - I much prefer items of a particular collection similarly displayed; and that NGC bar of soap just doesn't sit well with me. Nor does it fit in the already numerous PCGS boxes I have the others in; well not with the top securely in place.

I must admit, there is also the consideration of the "perception" of a PCGS slabbed coin being somewhat desireable - but not my primary concern.

BigD5

Thank you Gilbert.
Do you find PCGS coins more "desirable" in the market as far as VAM's go?

Gilbert

BigD5,

They are more desirable to me, because they are usually unattributed and therefore less costly. As far as selling them, well, you need to be dealing with someone who either trusts your attribution or can attribute themselves. Otherwise, they will sell at common v. variety prices.

On the other hand, I find that some people think any coin with a VAM attribution is worth a premium, whether it is a common coin or not. Unless they are a Top100 or Hot50 coin, the only premium deserved is the slabbing fee, but it is almost impossible to convey that to whomever currently has a coin for sale with a VAM number assigned.

BigD5

Spoken like a true VAM man! I don't deal with VAM's, but the few I have handled, were awfully tough to get any kind of premium for.
I find the same situation with most varieties in other series. The serious variety collector would much prefer to pick something off, as opposed to purchasing it outright. Understandable of course, but a touch frustrating if you are trying to sell a supposed "better" variety.
Ok, my sidetrack is done. Back to the original crossover query everyone!