PSA Qualifier Clarification

Bingo33

I just responded to a thread regarding how PSA handles cards with qualifiers.

I just noticed that a couple of collectors, PSatan and Davalillo are under the impression that PSA Grading and PSA Set Registry handle cards with qualifiers with a 2 graqe deduction. That is not correct.

The set rigistry does this, but for grading purposes the card can be dropped 1 or more grades.

If you have an 9 OC that qualifies for the straight 8 grade, PSA will holder that CARD IN A STRAIGHT 8 HOLDER. It does not go from a PSA 9 (OC) to a PSA 7 holder automatically. And it could go from a PSA 9 (OC) to a PSA 6 holder

GoSoxBoSox

They are talking about the value of a card, not the grade. If you have a card that is PSA 9 OC it carries a value of a PSA 7 of the same card. PSA says this in the SMR.

duner

it's all garbage. maybe i'm set in my ways but god himself will never convince me that a 9oc is equal or worse than a seven.

this parrallels the question which came first the chicken or the egg. if psa only downgraded a qualified card by a half a grade would the rest of the world???.....or does the market truly dictate the downgrade in value??? i tend to think psa's interpretation dictates market trends.

AlanAllen

Would you rather have this:



Or a well-centered, evenly worn 7?

Joe

PSAtan

Personally,

I like borders. I like them around my cards and my country. GoBoSox, thanks for clearing up my post. You're exactly correct. I'm talking about the set registry, not PSA grading techniques ("Techniques", funny word to use here).

I don't know about the rest of you. I'm looking forward to hearing the replies to this thread.

Horned, red and single,

Satan

duner

alan, you've got me on the otto card, but i've attached a pic of my own. would you rather spend 25% more for the 7 or the 8oc. or in my case $55 for the 7 and $30 for the 8oc. if it wasn't for the 2 point downgrade, i would've been just as happy with the 8oc. at the same time, as everyone knows, scanners are the great equalizer. minus the centering the 8oc is far superior to the 7 in every other way.

AlanAllen

Honestly, I like the Waterfield 7 To each his own, though.

Joe

Gatorbait

'34 Grove PSA 9 OC

I'd take this one. 70 year old card in a nine and still w/ some border. Better than a 7, probably an 8.

AlanAllen

I'd have no problem adding that Grove to my collection

aro13

What would the Otto grade if the submitter requested no qualifiers?
Some PSA 8 OC's would get a 7 without the qualifier, some might get a 6, some would even get a 5. I think the value and the unqualified grade depends entirely with the card in question.
Personally, I would rather have an 8 or 9 OC that was off centered top to bottom than a straight 7 or 6 that was well centered. However, if the OC is a result of centering side to side I would much rather have the straight 7 or probably even the 6.
I had quite a few 8 OC cards from my 61-62 Fleer set that I have been "upgrading" to straight 7's. In my opinion, in all of the cases the 7 has been a better card.

jaxxr

The two point drop is intended for the registry only, makes maters simple for numerical averages. We all know cards within a grade are not always equal, per various factors including, but not limited to, centering. They have different values even though the SMR and the registry list them the same. To say all 9OC cards are worth the same as a 7 is simply not accurate.

A nine could have centering of say 68/32 top to bottom ( the least irritating OC to me ) only, this would probably make it a 9OC. The same number card could be slightly worn/frayed at a few corners and have some suface wear as well, thus meriting a 7, AND centering could be even less than the aforementioned 9OC example, perhaps as low as 75/25, and might get a 7 with no qualifier. Surely the better overall quality 9OC card which COULD even be better centered than the 7, would be worth more.

How about a 9ST which has a wax stain just a bit bigger than "very slight" on the back ?? If nicely centered and overall sharp, possibly the minor back wax will not warrant a price much different from a high-end 8 ??

Centering is something like the "frame" of a work of art. Some insist on fine frames/centering in the complete item, others prefer the best picture/artwork itself and are only slightly concerned with the frame/centering. We should also keep in mind that not all PSA slabbed cards are bought/collected for the purpose of entering into the set registry.
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