Coins, Dead Husbands, and Rice Pudding
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Poor Dead Herolds Proof Sets!
May be a DCAM Frankie and Georgie?
No shipping insurance offered?
Why not. Is that left up tp the buyer?
What about a return policy?
Is there one?
Russ, NCNE
(the story, not the coins)
I hope it really is a little old lady who has son clifford and ole Harold inherited and built that huge collection.
Judging from the auctions and feedback, it's now distributed far and wide!
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>and ole Harold inherited and built that huge collection. >>
Baley,
The problem is that she has in the past sold off the last of "Harold's" collection at least twice. Somehow, he keeps coming back from the grave to add more coins to it.
Russ, NCNE
Looks like a pretty sharp coin dealer out there selling off those back room dogs
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
Newmismatist
The problem is that she has in the past sold off the last of "Harold's" collection at least twice. Somehow, he keeps coming back from the grave to add more coins to it.
did she call it "the last of it" before? When my widow goes to sell my coins, she'll have boxes and boxes to go through too, and that's just the ones stashed in the house and bank, not to mention the others.
I dunno, the accumulation rings true to my eye, and this latest seems like harold's grab bag. If it was a scam wouldn't ALL the proof sets be unopened?
If her long write ups about the day seem a little too folksy (and the expression"printed in" is just lame) then it's really really clever marketing, and the perp is not getting too greedy, as there is a long wait between "installments"
what do others think? time for a poll, is Deb really a little old lady, or slick dealer?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.
Always looking for nice type coins
my local dealer
Can't be worth anything. Like she says she'd be surprised to find it worth anything at all.
Ya right. (This is the normal 1823 by the way)
Isn't this earlycoins our own Jade Coin that just got booted out of the forums?
Ray
hmmm . . . .
same town . . . both use "early" in their ebay handle . . . and they have admitted knowing each other . . . .
hmmm . . . .
Well, it looks like Granny has joined the "Professional Grading" coin club. Maybe she will start posting on the boards????
<< <i>Well, it looks like Granny has joined the "Professional Grading" coin club. Maybe she will start posting on the boards???? >>
Oh I hope not. I can't sit though what she writes now.
I'd like to believe it's the real deal and I've gotten a good deal from her already.
Maybe there is just a little too much cynicism on this board today. Not everybody is (fill in the blank with your favorite blankety-blank).
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
K S
I think the reason for the stories in her auctions is to distract buyers from the fact that they are buying raw coins on ebay, which is what we all agree is dangerous. The seller attempts to gain people's confidence so they ignore this very important caveat. That is the con man's game, and that's why my radar goes off. I have not had any dealings with Deb, but I have been caught believing someone's story and making less than objective decisions about coins, which I later regretted.
Jadecoin also makes my radar go off because they spend so much time telling you how fair they are, and how they don't overgrade coins, etc. If you buy raw coins from anyone, whether Jadecoin or not, you are still buying raw coins and all the caveats still apply no matter what they say. Their approach invites a buyer to ignore the caveats, and buy the coin because they are "nice guys" who are not trying to cheat you. That is not a valid reason to buy a coin. You buy a coin for its merits, and its merits alone, because that is what you are stuck with at the end of the day.
The fact that Deb gets some very surprising sale prices on her coins, also raises my eyebrows. We all know the prevalence of shill bidding on ebay. Again, I don't have any idea who is bidding, or whether or not anything is going on behind the scenes, but it raises red flags to me. In a similar vein, Jadecoin has been known to use six different ebay id's, and some of them at the same time. Some of these id's have transacted with each other, and left feedback. This is a hallmark of shilling. As usual, I don't claim to know all of the facts, but it makes my radar go off.
Not only is there something peculiar about the similarities in approach with these two sellers, the way they tell their stories are strikingly similar as well. There are experts out there who can compare word usage, sentence structure, writing tone, persuasion techniques, etc., and tell if something is being written by the same person or not. I wish I had that skill. I have no idea what the relationship is between Jade and Deb, except that Jade refuses to discuss the relationship. All of this raises more questions than answers, IMO.
For these reasons, it is very easy to draw conclusions about these two sellers. Even if all things are explained and reveal Deb and Jade to be 110% honest, you are still buying raw coins and all caveats are still in full force and effect.
The stories by Deb are REALLY entertaining, and a fun read. I just hope they are not expensive stories for the buyers.
Big Mike <><
Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from him, so you will grow in faith, strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with thanksgiving for all that he has done. --Colossians 2:7
<< <i>I have been caught believing someone's story and making less than objective decisions about coins, which I later regretted. >>
hardly fair to base your opinion of someone on how your dealings went w/ someone else.
<< <i>Jadecoin also makes my radar go off because they spend so much time telling you how fair they are, and how they don't overgrade coins >>
what does pcgs say about itself?
<< <i>you are still buying raw coins and all caveats are still in full force and effect >>
for me, that's just the way i like it. there are NO guarantees in life, regardless of what a plastic co. tries to tell you
but most important of all,
<< <i>A little rum for the rice pudding and a little rum for Granny Deb... >>
rum is good stuff! * hic-cup *
K S
<< <i>If her long write ups about the day seem a little too folksy (and the expression"printed in" is just lame) then it's really really clever marketing, and the perp is not getting too greedy, as there is a long wait between "installments" >>
She's been at this practically since eBay started. She has indeed at least twice advertised that she was auctioning off the last of Harold's stuff ... and then found some more ... and some more.
DMWJR is right: "I think the reason for the stories in her auctions is to distract buyers from the fact that they are buying raw coins on ebay, which is what we all agree is dangerous. The seller attempts to gain people's confidence so they ignore this very important caveat. That is the con man's game, and that's why my radar goes off."
Come on over ... to The Dark Side!
But earlycoins is definately not some little old lady selling off her dead husbands estate - looks like a coin dealer to me
I didn't notice the similar name or the fact that they're both from Michigan until pointed out in the above post, but I'll say this, if anyone believes they're not dealing with a coin dealer with this ebay seller, I've got a bridge for sale (in Michigan no less) that connects the lower & upper pennisulas of that fine state, and I'll sell it to the highest bidder (I give Quit claim deeds only - the caveat emptor of real estate deeds). If you act quickly you can get this lovely bridge before deer season opens, and let me tell ya, come opening day, you can make a fair amount of money settin up a toll both heading north. Oh - I'll donate 10% of the proceeds to Harold's widow, just to make sure she's doing ok for the long cold Michigan winter.
Say, on those proof sets, one of 'em was a 1963 - Dave the doctor may have gotten himself a really great deal if that penny slabs as a PR70DCam!
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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