Explanation of Full Torch and Full Band Roosevelt Dime designations from the major services
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Several questions have popped up about Roosies in the last few days and I wanted to take this opportunity to post what the criteria is for both NGC and PCGS on their particular designations. The main difference appears to be that NGC also looks at the vertical bands on the torch, while PCGS focuses only on the horizontal bands:
NGC Full Torch (FT)
NGC began certifying Full Torch (FT) Roosevelt Dimes April 14, 2003. The designation FT for Full Torch will be applied to Roosevelt Dimes having both upper and lower pair of horizontal bands split as well as the vertical lines of the torch being defined. The FT designation will not apply to proof coins. The addition of the FT designation comes at the overwhelming request from NGC’s collector and dealer base.
The following image illustrates what is required to receive the FT designation. Note the upper and lower set of horizontal bands that are required to be split without major interruptions. Notice also the vertical lines on the torch are also defined without major interruptions.
The FT designation will be included when applicable during the normal course of grading, and no special fee or service is required when submitting uncertified coins to NGC. For those having Roosevelt Dimes already certified by NGC that may qualify for the FT designation, these may be submitted for review of their status under NGC’s Designation Review service at a fee of $10. This includes the cost of reholdering the coin. Coins holdered by other companies may be submitted to NGC under its Crossover Service, and their FT status will be evaluated in the course of grading the coins.
PCGS Full Band (FB)
Newport Beach, CA) - Responding to collectors' requests, Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) will add a new designation for Roosevelt dimes, "Full Bands."
"In every survey we've conducted, customers have asked for the Full Bands designation on fully-struck Roosevelt dimes. The Roosevelt series, from 1946 to date, is a good entry level collectible, and finding coins with Full Bands is a popular collecting specialty," said PCGS Vice President Michael Sherman. PCGS will begin using the designation on April 1, 2003.
Beginning September 1st, the Full Bands designation will begin appearing on PCGS's population report and anyone registering a coin with the Full Bands designation in one of the Roosevelt dime categories in the PCGS Set Registry(TM) will receive bonus points for that coin. According to B.J. Searls, PCGS Set Registry Director, "It will be the same bonus structure we use for Full Bell Line Franklin half-dollars and Full Band Mercury dimes."
The PCGS "Full Bands" designation for Roosevelts requires that both the upper and lower pair of bands on the torch be distinct and show full separation. The line dividing the bands must be complete and unbroken.
NGC Full Torch (FT)
NGC began certifying Full Torch (FT) Roosevelt Dimes April 14, 2003. The designation FT for Full Torch will be applied to Roosevelt Dimes having both upper and lower pair of horizontal bands split as well as the vertical lines of the torch being defined. The FT designation will not apply to proof coins. The addition of the FT designation comes at the overwhelming request from NGC’s collector and dealer base.
The following image illustrates what is required to receive the FT designation. Note the upper and lower set of horizontal bands that are required to be split without major interruptions. Notice also the vertical lines on the torch are also defined without major interruptions.
The FT designation will be included when applicable during the normal course of grading, and no special fee or service is required when submitting uncertified coins to NGC. For those having Roosevelt Dimes already certified by NGC that may qualify for the FT designation, these may be submitted for review of their status under NGC’s Designation Review service at a fee of $10. This includes the cost of reholdering the coin. Coins holdered by other companies may be submitted to NGC under its Crossover Service, and their FT status will be evaluated in the course of grading the coins.
PCGS Full Band (FB)
Newport Beach, CA) - Responding to collectors' requests, Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) will add a new designation for Roosevelt dimes, "Full Bands."
"In every survey we've conducted, customers have asked for the Full Bands designation on fully-struck Roosevelt dimes. The Roosevelt series, from 1946 to date, is a good entry level collectible, and finding coins with Full Bands is a popular collecting specialty," said PCGS Vice President Michael Sherman. PCGS will begin using the designation on April 1, 2003.
Beginning September 1st, the Full Bands designation will begin appearing on PCGS's population report and anyone registering a coin with the Full Bands designation in one of the Roosevelt dime categories in the PCGS Set Registry(TM) will receive bonus points for that coin. According to B.J. Searls, PCGS Set Registry Director, "It will be the same bonus structure we use for Full Bell Line Franklin half-dollars and Full Band Mercury dimes."
The PCGS "Full Bands" designation for Roosevelts requires that both the upper and lower pair of bands on the torch be distinct and show full separation. The line dividing the bands must be complete and unbroken.
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I would recommend a 10x Peer Hexagonal or a Bauch and Laumb. 18mm -20mm would be ideal.
I use that for my bands on Mercs as well. Low distortion is the key.
PCGS FULL BANDS BY YEAR/MM:
1950-D 183
1959-D 129
1959 128
1946-S 114
1954-D 104
1953-D 84
1955-D 81
1958-D 73
1946-D 72
1962-D 67
1949-D 66
1952-D 61
1948-D 60
1962 54
1946 49
1954 46
1951 45
1948-S 43
1951-D 42
1947-D 34
1947-S 34
1951-S 32
1960-D 32
1964-D 32
1952 31
1964 28
1952-S 28
1948 27
1960 27
1954-S 26
1957-D 25
1961-D 24
1956-D 23
1947 22
1950 22
1950-S 21
1953-S 18
1955 16
1953 15
1949 13
1956 10
1949-S 10
1963-D 10
1957 8
1961 8
1955-S 8
1963 7
1958 5
NGC FULL TORCH BY YEAR MM:
1950 D 31
1948 22
1946 S 19
1948 S 18
1964 D 14
1946 D 10
1951 D 10
1962 9
1953 D 9
1955 D 9
1959 D 9
1952 8
1947 S 7
1952 D 7
1952 S 7
1957 D 7
1951 6
1964 6
1948 D 6
1950 S 6
1955 S 6
1958 D 6
1946 5
1957 5
1959 5
1949 D 5
1954 D 5
1961 D 5
1962 D 5
1950 4
1947 D 4
1951 S 4
1953 S 4
1954 S 4
1956 D 3
1960 D 3
1954 2
1947 1
1949 1
1953 1
1955 1
1960 1
1961 1
1963 1
1949 S 1
1963 D 1
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