'63 Cello Packs

paigowmichael

Totally unrelated to PSA - I saw a lot of '63 cello packs on ebay the other day. I'm not really familiar with those old cello packs. These have no markings on them whatsoever, so I was wondering that if this is the way they came, how can you tell they're legit? I'd post a link - but I'm just too lazy to learn how. I'm hoping someone here has seen this lot and maybe can shed some light on if the probability of their authenticity. And if they are real - whether anyone would be interested in sharing the lot. Four of the seven appear to be from the final (Rose RC) series which would make it even more intriguing. Any feedback is appreciated. Ebay item # 2747297487 . Thanks.

SportscardAdvocate

Here's the link..

Seems like a legit seller, but I haven't bought cello packs. He's got a trio of negative feedback items that would point to insufficient disclosure. You may want to email the seller and ask the packs origins.

EDIT: Just read the whole listing. Seems like he's washing his hands of complaints. My apetite for risk would keep me away, but other's might play the risk/reward game.

ejguru

Packs look like they are sealed in the same manner 67's are when I see them. Seller has high numbers, but all of a sudden "no returns" To me, that is a dead giveaway of danger. Buy at your own risk.

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Mantlefan

With centering that bad, they're probably real. If you're considering buying these for grading, I would stay away.

pc

i'll bet my left nut they were recently made.
ask the seller how tight they're wrapped.
if thye'r eas tight as bricks they're bogus.
there is a lot of bad cellos down south.
LOTS & LOTS.there is a machine and old
cello wrap and the odds are REAL BAD here.

kmoran

LMAO....Looks like a fourth grade art project. The only collector who would bid on something like this is someone who has never seen a 1960s cello before.

PSAtan

Be careful. A lot of these guys have become quite sophisticated. It used to be easy to tell if you'd been ripped off.
Tell tale signs included:

1) Finding a 1956 Bob Purkey in your 1961 Cello pack
2) Getting quadruples of Wayne Causey in your first five cards
3) Topps was often spelled "Tops"
4) Receiving a mixture of cellophane and cards with the excuse "Damn mailmen"
5) Cards had pen doodles on them
6) Ed Brinkman was the one superstar you'd pull
7) The drycleaning was still inside the card packs with your purchase


Better to spend your money on a surer shot. If you want to gamble go to a casino and have a much better 40% chance.

Good luck,

Satan

packCollector

only buy these if your other alternative is using your money to keep the fire going. most of this stuff was either sent to global for authenticating and deamed resealed or sold and returned because they were obvious fakes or deamed resealed by globabl. my understanding is the seller is honest but bought a lot of stuff from bad sources due to lack of knowledge which leads to him washing his hands clean. he is most likely not manufacturing the packs himself but someone else is and he thought he was getting a good deal. he also usually has a return policy, the reason he doesn't now is that he knows they are fakes which leads me to questioning what I have been told about his integrity. I have bought 3 wax packs from him in the past and returned all 3 suspecting they were resealed

pc

what you should expect in these cellos:
wax stains
corner wear
ex ex mt quality
no stars-not a one

gemint

PC - You can add 'marked checklist' to your list. I know someone who purchased a '68 cello on eBay only to find a marked checklist inside upon opening it. Fortunately the seller took the pack back.

paigowmichael

Thanks for all the info. I'm not heartbroken as I knew there was plenty to be concerned about. Take care all.

mmoin

I too was very tempted by that auction, but I wasn't going to gamble that much money on something of potentially questionable authenticity. I did, however, win an auction for 10 2-card 1974 Topps packs from the same seller, which I figured are a safer bet- since who would take the trouble to search and reseal those?

Wabittwax

Really though, put yourself in the sellers shoes. If he has a lot of questionable packs in his inventory, what should he do with them? Should he just open them all and take a $10,000+ loss? His only option really for selling them is exactly how he did it. If he takes returns on them, he'll lose a ton of money. He makes it obvious in the auction description that he's not sure on their authenticity and you can tell by the ending price that he's probably taking a huge loss on them. Those should have closed in the thousands of dollars if they were real.