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Reverse crossover results

toppsguntoppsgun Posts: 787 ✭
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I've been fooling around with a 1959 set, graded by SGC. I frequently buy high end PSA 7 cards that I think might crossover to SGC. I also went through my SGC cards and cracked out a few for regrade attempts. Here are my results, just received.

271-Pena PSA 7 to SGC 84 (a low end 7 that could've gone the other way, had PSA re-graded it)
397-Senators PSA 8 to SGC 88 (the one card that appeared to have the best chance to bump up)
399-Jackson PSA 7 to SGC 92 (quite a nice surprise!)
411-Lockman PSA 7 to SGC 88 (another winner)
426-Staley PSA 7 to SGC 88 (one more)

495-Podres SGC 84 to SGC 88 (clearly mis-graded the first time, I expected an 88)
505-Kubek SGC 84 (no change)
509-Cash RC SGC 80 (no change)
531-Webster SGC 80 (no change)
553-Cepeda AS SGC 84 (no change)

I found the "test" to be interesting in terms of results, confirming in my mind the collective experience and comments on this board and elsewhere in the hobby, to wit:

(1) SGC grades a bit easier compared to PSA, especially of late, as PSA has "toughened up" their own grading criteria.
(2) SGC is a consistent grader, year to year (all of my SGC crackouts were originally graded over 2 years ago).

Comments

  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    PSA 7 to SGC 92? Put that one up on eBay for the people who try to play the crack-out game and make a killing . . . "I think this one has a shot at a PSA 9!"
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    No offense, but trying to draw conclusions without a control group is unscientific.
    these continual posts continue to prove little to me. I can find piles of
    psa 8's recently graded that will not get sgc 8's and vise versa. I could easily do a crossover "experiment" to prove that SGC grades tougher than PSA.
    If anything the one solid trend I see is GAI grading softly, as did PSA at the National
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    edited to add: thanks for sharing the results though, it is always interesting and usually frustrating to read such results.
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    A point that seldom gets mentioned in these threads,
    is that we are all cherry pick the cards that we crack out to crossover, so good results SHOULD be expected.

    Eventually, all the under-graded cards in other slabs will end up in PSA holders ... image

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  • thefootballcardstorethefootballcardstore Posts: 512 ✭✭
    Thanks for the post. Crossovers are always interesting reads.
    Jeremy
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  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    Once upon a time I had a 1969 super Curt Flood that SGC graded as a 7, when i crossed my set over for marketability, PSA gave it a Gem Mint 10.
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    I chuckled about it and then sold it to Davalillo (ouch, sorry on that one Jim, you lurker you).
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  • kmorankmoran Posts: 17
    Bah, who cares about all your petty, insignificant grading companies? A card isn't Mint unless I say it is.

    I'll tell you something though. I like PSA the best because Mr. Hall called me once and invited me to auction off his extensive collection. It's true. Ask him.

    Just another fine endorsement for the Mint Man.
  • PSAtanPSAtan Posts: 164
    I recently had GAI do a bunch of cross-overs. There were a small number of SGC cards, but they all held up well. In terms of PSA to GAI, there wasn't much diference. I picked up a few half grades and lost a few half grades. GAI is very concerned with centering. Do not submit cards that are not well centered to GAI because you are wasting your time.

    Next, I'm going to resubmit the GAI cards to PSA that went in raw and fell below my expectations due to centering. Last, I'm going to take the cards that don't come back from PSA the way I want and submit them to SGC. After 50 dollars of grading on a nine dollar card, I'm sure I'll be where I want.

    Got the system wired,

    satanimage
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    heh
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    Psa tan ?? you BCD ??
  • PSAtanPSAtan Posts: 164
    Is BCD a person or a disease? If it's a person, I'm not him. However, if it's a disease like ADD or PTSD, then I'm sure I have it. If it means something else, let me know and I'll tell the truth.

    I'm new to the collecting world (About two years). I collected watches but topped out on expensive Rolex Chronographs. There was no place for me to go in the hobby. Now I do this. I have some nice cards, but I made the mistake of buying without a direction. My collection is all over the place. I'm trying to hone its focus. I have just about finished set of 1933 Goudeys in PSA/GAI 4- 5 range. I've put together all the key HOFers from the 1952 Topps set. Then, some regionals as we discussed (1954 Johnston Cookies Aaron, Hires Mays, Dan Dee Mantle, etc...), all Topps and Bowman issues of Superstars pre-1957 like Mays, Mantle, Williams (No Wilson), Berra, Jackie Robinson, etc..., a really nice 1963 Fleer Set w/all 8s in key cards and many of the commons and, last, an assortment of Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Whitey Ford, Warren Spahn and other pitchers. I like pitchers. My dad took me to see Tom Seaver pitch at Shea when I was six. He was my idol--Seaver, not my dad.

    It sounds like you have an amazing collection and tons of knowledge. I look forward to corresponding and convincing you to sell me those Stahl Meyer cards. I'd love to hear how you put those together.

    Best,

    Satanimage
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    according to some BCD would be both. to me he is like a fuzzy little super-hero I like to call "kintting-man" . Unfortunaltly he is one of the banned forum posters that has No Stahl-Meyers for you.
    Good Luck would have it that another said banned poster does
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