Advice for detaching 1977 Pepsi cut-outs?
gtbeaker
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I recently came across a few raw ones I'm planning on submitting, but I need some help in getting these things out without destroying them. For those of you who might not be familiar with this issue, the cards themselves are enclosed with 4 notches around the perimeter of the card, in the center of a glove die-cut pattern. Any thoughts from those of you who may have submitted some of these in the past? Thanks- Scott
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It looks as if there is really no way around tearing out the notches and it appears that PSA is aware of this issue - these are unlike other discs. The PSA 9 looks like it can have some rough spots where the notches would be.
Hope that helps a little
I have a huge stash of these at home -- that being said, I can tell you with the few that I've broken apart, I've been able to score a number of PSA 9's. No 10's (yet). Basically I think I remember that the disc card is attached to the glove part in four or eight places. I would basically make cuts from the glove part into the inner disc (all pointing out/in, as if they are "rays" and the disc is the "sun"). This reduces the size, then, of the pieces that need to be separated. After that, small bending back and forth, or rocking of the small remaining pieces usually leaves for an overall clean removal process. Not perfect -- but pretty darn good.
Anyway, that's my recollection. Did that about a year or two ago. And I certainly ruined (with creasing) a few cards before I came up with that method.
MS
Thanks for the responses. I think I'll try the scissors method, then proceed with the bending method at the notches.
Thanks again!
Scott
But, obviously they couldn't be slabbed and graded in that form.....that's a drawback.
"There's no crying in baseball card set building."
MS
Don't do it, man!!! Leave 'em intact. Just an opinion, but to ruin the thing so PSA could give you an opinion that can't be discerned by any uniform criteria in senseless. The discs look really cool in the glove and long-term THAT is how they'll be collected. People will say..."Who's the idiot who destroyed this thing to cover it in that plastic?"
O.K. that may be a bit harsh, but I really think grading those things detached is silly...but they'll be more than happy to take your 10 bucks for the privilege...
dgf
Why ruin those gloves? Because PSA says so if you want a slab with their two bit opinion. Please tell me in all candor that collectors of this set in 1977, to the extent there were any, carefully collected only the cards, and not either the "gloves" or the entire item with tab. I mean isn't that the standard by which PSA approaches its grading, i.e. What would an authentic, unaltered card collected in the year of issue look like, in pristine condition on down? Thus they apparently now can discern a 9 from an 8 from a 7 etc as if these cards actually were detached in 1977 and collected that way-- no way would someone carefully try and remove the card from the glove 26 years later, right? Gimme a break.
I just look in amazement at how greed has entered the hobby through the use of slabbing companies. The guides have always stated that cards from this Pepsi issue, as well as the 1958 Hires, for example, lose 50% of their value if the card is detached from the surrounding packaging. This is as it should be. Still, PSA is willing to slab these cards as detached and voila, they are suddenly worth far more than an equally nice or nicer version that is complete. It makes me laugh to see strong nm or better Hires, complete with tabs, go for a fraction of a PSA 7 or 8 Hires that have the tabs removed. Sadly, it makes me sick to think that there are probably people out there removing the tabs from their Hires, thereby depleting an already relatively scarce commodity, so as to slab an 8 an reap their anticpated profit. The problem is not unique to PSA--SGC will not grade complete 1971 Milk Dud boxes, which are probably small enough to holder, but will gladly grade and holder the "card" cut from the box. I actually had an SGC rep years ago tell me at a show in Phoenix that I should cut some of my MD boxes and submit the cards for grading. Geez, can I?
I still don't know how PSA can grade certain cards that are detached but refuse to grade others of the same sort. I can understand their refusal to grade modern cards that can be cut from sheets, but not such issues such as Post or Jello, 1951 Berk Ross or a variety of strip cards from the '20's. I mean, these cards are 40-90 years old and were cut or detached as intended-- do they really think that someone has the ability to 'cheat' the system by taking voulmes of uncut produuct and then using modern cutting techniques to come up with sharp-cornered examples of these cards to flood the market? What is the rationale/
Oh well, I guess that's my vent for the day.
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<< <i>I still don't know how PSA can grade certain cards that are detached but refuse to grade others of the same sort. I can understand their refusal to grade modern cards that can be cut from sheets, but not such issues such as Post or Jello, 1951 Berk Ross or a variety of strip cards from the '20's. I mean, these cards are 40-90 years old and were cut or detached as intended-- do they really think that someone has the ability to 'cheat' the system by taking voulmes of uncut produuct and then using modern cutting techniques to come up with sharp-cornered examples of these cards to flood the market? What is the rationale/
Oh well, I guess that's my vent for the day. >>
For what it is worth, PSA will start grading cards such as Jello, Post, Hostess, etc. that were cut or detached as intended.
And, to answer your other question, yes, I have seen COUNTLESS individuals take uncut Post and other boxes from the 1960s and basically tear them apart to get SGC to grade the "MINT" Mantle or whatever the case may be. To get a card to "grade" high, you basically need to leave the black borders intact and full all the way around, thus ruining the other cards in the process. I have seen this happen in the past and see no reason why this will discontinue in the future.
What's your advice for '81 Squirt Panels? I got a sweet Carew/Bench panel recently and I think it might be a shame to separate them (even though I'd like the Carew for my master set). Obviously, these are much more easily separated than some other panels. What are your thoughts on these?
JEB.
Sorry to take umbrage, but I simply don't believe you have seen COUNTLESS post cereal boxes, period, from 1961-1962, much less observed COUNTLESS people trim them to their liking. Per the SGC pop report, fewer than 300 cards have been submitted for the 1961 set TOTAL (which has 200 different cards, sans variations), most players with one card submitted each, and fewer than a handful have graded mint, with about another handful a half-grade below. I have scanned e-bay for years and very rarely see a box panel or any portion thereof up for auction, and it would be foolish to think that 's because everyone is sitting at home cutting out the cards for submission.
In any event, at least it looks as though PSA is beginning to get consistent, if indeed they're going to start grading these other issues. GOod for them, although I still say its a travesty to trim a card from its packaing just to get a sharp grade.
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dgf
DGF,
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I must've missed it. I was busy watching the Braves regurgitate a six-spot. Ouch! I'll get my broom out...
dgf
Leave it as is.
DGF,
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