1969 Topps- PSA 10s Galore!

Mitochondria · July 13, 2003 3:24AM

Just reviewed the latest population report and I noticed that there are a lot more PSA 10s that have been added in a short period of time to the 1969 regular issue population. In addition, it appears as if the PSA 9 population has picked up in numbers as well. Has there been some sort of vending find that anyone knows about? I would not be surprised if these numbers continue rise in the near future.

Ron

gemint · July 13, 2003 5:05AM

It looks like DSL has just gotten back the motherload of PSA 9/10 1969's. Take a look at the Brock World Series PSA 10 on eBay now and scan the surrounding serial numbers. About every 4th or 5th card is a 10. It looks like they got around 60% 9s or better with a 7 sprinkled in here and there. Where do they get all those blaziers? If I cracked a rack case of '69s (if one only existed) I would not get that many 9s and 10s. I still don't buy into the 'big submitter gets better grades' argument because they also had lots of 96s and 98s when they submitted to SGC. I just wonder where they find all those blaziers.

Those guys (DSL) are going to be multimillionaires when all is said and done.

Cubfan · July 13, 2003 6:10AM

Mito- How recent was the population report changed? If it was in the past week or so then it might be too early for those cards to have been received and placed on ebay. So those cards on the report might be in addition to the ones that are on right now.

DSL has so many good cards that their queue for getting things on ebay can spread over rather long (at least it seems long to those waiting for them to appear on ebay) periods. Ive learned that the hard and impatient way.

RayBShotz · July 13, 2003 8:39AM

I can't recall ever buying or winning any cards supplied by DSL...as impossible as that sounds. It has been often debated here about DSL and high grades in abundance.

Gemint or Mito - Have you had enough cards in hand to really speculate on the quality of those cards versus the grades tendered by PSA? What's your opinion.

Either way they seem to have an enormous pipeline for cards of quality. Will these huys be showing up at the Nationals or are they strictly an ebay dealer?

RayB69Topps

Look forward to seeing the 69' gang there.

Virtualizard · July 13, 2003 8:56AM

Ray,

I've purchased 100s of cards from DSL over the past 2 years, including about 15 PSA 8s and 9s from the 1969 set. They are all beautiful cards and stand up to cards from any other seller and cards I've submitted myself. My DSL purchases go across the board - DSL has provided me with a lot of 1960, 1970, and 1975 Topps cards as well as some modern cards in Player Sets I'm collecting. The only card that I can think of that I've questioned is a 1970 Topps #140 Reggie Jackson PSA 8 - it looks great but measures a little short in both directions. Possibly trimmed or maybe from a vending box, I don't know, and PSA graded it. All in all, I have no complaints with cards I've received from them. In fact, I've been very happy.

JEB.

pc · July 13, 2003 10:43AM

<< <i>Those guys (DSL) are going to be multimillionaires when all is said and done. >>

more likely everyone with a 69 set will lose money.

Wabittwax · July 13, 2003 1:28PM

From what I've seen of Darrell from DSL, he was probably a multimillionaire 10 years ago.

I've don't remember seeing him set up at the National. I always see him pulling around that suitcase spending boatloads of cash on the buyer side of the table. I asked him why he buys so much and he just said that he does mail order.

gemint · July 13, 2003 1:54PM

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<< <i>Those guys (DSL) are going to be multimillionaires when all is said and done. >>

more likely everyone with a 69 set will lose money. >>

That depends. There is some elasticity in the '69 market, though I agree if a ton of 9s and 10s flood the market, prices will fall. Fortunately I bought most of my set raw and graded it myself. And I've made enough off grading duplicates to cover my grading fees for the set, so I won't lose sleep over it. I just wish I was able to get to the source of those cards before DSL did.

pc · July 13, 2003 3:25PM

well if you bought 1000 shares of a stock at 10
and sold half at 20 then watched the value drop
to 1 would you agree you lost money?

calleocho · July 13, 2003 4:56PM

card collecting is a hobby...hobbies cost money.

a hobby is supposed to bring pleasure..such as photography, scuba diving , scrapbooking etc.

a hobby is most often a money losing proposition.

you exchange money for fun.

card collecting however sometimes allows for some return of your money.

in the case of Gemint it worked out awesome...he didnt lose money, that alone should be amazing.

carew4me · July 13, 2003 9:47PM

Yea, I would hate to see some 55 Bowmans on Ebay.
After all, I may LOSE MONEY!

get real.

Stump · July 13, 2003 11:57PM

Woes me I lost money on a card. Now I am bitter and will give negative press for all collectors to see. This is a hobby. Its supposed to be fun. The last time I checked most people called it collecting cards not greenbacks. If you cant afford to have a card go to one dollar dont buy it. If you are in for the money you take a chance of losing money everytime you make a purchase. Will you lose money all the time, no will you make money everytime, no take the good with the bad and have fun collecting. Personally I do this on the side for fun.I love collecting cards and have for most of my life. Do i do it for the money no. Is it an investment for the future maybe. Am I doing it for a retiremnet of a pension thats a big no. I have IRA's and 401 k's for that along with some commercial real estate rentals. I collect for fun. the more on ebay to buy the better it is.

Dave

Skycap · July 14, 2003 2:03AM

Stump, well stated. I too collect purely for fun. It brings back the days when we were little kids sharing the joy of opening packs of cards in the hot summer time. I still get excited to receive a highly-sought card in the mail. This hobby seems to keep me young. We know there are people who will invest their childrens' education funds in 1,000 cards of this year's hot rookie and then wonder in 10 years what could have gone so wrong!

Skycap

Mitochondria · July 14, 2003 4:09AM

Agree with Stump and Skycap,

I would hope that no one is using vital income on any hobby. I enjoy collecting cards greatly. I have taken deep baths on some cards and did extremely well on others. For profit purposes, timing is important and my current timeline (2010 to complete a high grade 1969 set) is not conducive to a "good" investment in the business of baseball cards. Instead, I set goals for the excitement of the pursuit knowing that it is unlikely to stand well financially. We make these same decisions when we make major upgrades on our homes and travel overseas for leisure. Both are costly ventures that usually will not deliver financial rewards to justify their costs, but which compensate us in different ways.

Ron

OhioTaz · July 14, 2003 4:58AM

Here's hoping the cards get cheaper! Since we are adding to our collection, an increase in supply would be great. Prices of late, seem out of control on high end stuff from 1964, 1969. Some common 1964 PSA 9's (Pop 5-15) are going for $200-300 where two to three weeks ago similar cards were going for $40-75 each. An amazing number of new deep pocketed purchasers on EBay lately.

Taz

gemint · July 14, 2003 5:56AM

Ohiotaz - How are 1964 PSA 8 commons doing these days? I don't track those auctions much but last time I looked, most 8s were selling for well under $10. I have a bunch in at PSA now but am not sure if I'm going to flip them or add them to my collection. Is there that large a descrepancy between 8s and 9s for that year?

Basilone · July 14, 2003 9:06AM

Doesnt suprise me...we are still talking about 1969 not 1939...Im sure there will be more to come.

John

Wabittwax · July 15, 2003 1:53AM

I am sort of a different collector. I already have predetermined prices in my head for cards that I need for a set and I never budge. To me, If I overpay for a card, I lose the enjoyment of making the set. I guess I just have too much entrepenuer(?) in me. I really enjoy looking at my set(s) and remembering how much I paid for a card and if I got a smokin deal on it, it makes me happy. If I remember paying way too much for something, it depresses me and takes the fun out. I have a 1987 Topps Tiffany Set on the Set Registry. My predetermined prices are:

PSA 9's-
Commons $2 (obviously I haven't found any yet for that price, but that's ok, I'll keep looking)
Stars $5 (maybe $6 for bigger stars) ($18 for PSA 10's)
McGwire $10
Bonds - I'm waiting until he retires because it will tank like a rock because he has zero fan base.

A lot of you may think that's a weird strategy but I could go buy a sealed set for $75, spend $4500 to grade it and be done. But what fun is that? Searching for the cards I need in my price range is most of the fun.

OhioTaz · July 16, 2003 10:31AM

Gemint - sorry for the delay. I was at the All-Star Game and computerless.

PSA 8's in 1964 have been quite cheap. Well below SMR and probably a good deal.

gemint · July 16, 2003 11:04AM

<< <i>Gemint - sorry for the delay. I was at the All-Star Game and computerless.

PSA 8's in 1964 have been quite cheap. Well below SMR and probably a good deal. >>

Thanks for the info. I hope you enjoyed the AS game. Looks like I'll be adding the 8s to my collection.

1969 Topps- PSA 10s Galore!

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