How do you determine the last day that you can leave feedback for an EBAY transaction?

acowa · July 9, 2003 4:51AM

I heard it was 90 days.

Regards,

Alan

aro13 · July 9, 2003 5:03AM

Alan-I do not think that is true. I have read that before but I have had some auctions remain valid for almost 4 months. I think as long as it is a valid number you can leave feedback. I do not know if this statement is true or not but it seems to me that auctions for mags/memorabilia stay on the system longer than auctions for cards. I suppose you could track all of the item #'s before and determine when they became invalid but that seems like a lot of work.

mikeschmidt · July 9, 2003 5:13AM

aro13 is correct. The states policy is 90 days. Unfortunately, some items remain on the system longer. The exact timing and nature of such seems to be haphazard at best. I've seen examples where transactions from 95 days ago no longer appeared, but at the same time transactions from 100 days ago were visible. Makes things a tad more risky if you are planning on negging on the 89th day at the eleventh hour...

dude · July 9, 2003 5:21AM

Alan -- I was also under the impression that it's 90 days but I just put that to the test last week. I gave a deadbeat bidder six negatives two hours short of 90 days, and those 6 auctions are still active a week later.

Basilone · July 9, 2003 5:26AM

<< <i>Alan -- I was also under the impression that it's 90 days but I just put that to the test last week. I gave a deadbeat bidder six negatives two hours short of 90 days, and those 6 auctions are still active a week later. >>

Why do you guys have to play such games with negatives......jeez.

John

acowa · July 9, 2003 7:24AM

John,

Let me email you the garbage that I have been through with one seller on a $2600 transaction and it will become perfectly clear to you.

If you FEDEX payment after a seller agrees to ship insured, then have the seller magically lose the reciept proving that the cards were even shipped, then play games with you on the refund until you get EBAY, Square Trade, & the Postal authorities involved, then send you a bad check ... does this deserve a negative?

If the answer is no: What if you come to find that the seller has done this same thing with another buyer for even more money?

Regards,

Alan

Davemri · July 9, 2003 7:49AM

Here are some cards still on since may 19th

almost 4 months!

Basilone · July 9, 2003 8:33AM

Alan-

Ouch...I hope everything eventually works out regarding that transaction.

John

PS...card to flame the seller publicly yet?

ejguru · July 9, 2003 10:33AM

Alan: You have shown remarkable restraint--more than I could ever hope to harness. Since I live the rock star life, let me know if you need me to have a few of my guys help you out with that "seller."

"Moose, Rocco, help the judge find his checkbook."

cardbroad · July 9, 2003 12:19PM

"Acowa"
Did the second guy lose his money after your transaction went bad? Was he also afraid to leave a negative for the thief? The feedback forum is designed to help bidders decide if they want to take a chance on dealing with a stranger. For 90 day days your negative feedback could have helped warn bidders just like you about dealing with the guy. I wonder how many victims are waiting for their 90 days to expire.

mikeschmidt · July 9, 2003 12:25PM

To come to Dude's defense -- it seems awfully risky to give someone six negatives for non-payment, after you have gone through all the proper Ebay channels, etc., especially considering that a) you have perfect feedback and b) you are probably just selling the cards on consignment to a friend/fellow collector.

I only have one negative, and it is from a psycho seller. Though I leave feedback on over 99.5% of my transactions (only receiving feedback about 85% of the time), Ebay has failed to address the retalitory feedback mechanism, which is quite a nuisance to deal with. Try listing a couple dozen cards valued at a couple thousand dollars -- and see what happens to some of the final values realized if you are hit with an unfair negative while the auctions are running. Even if you only lose 1% -- it is an important amount and an unnecessary cost to selling. The vast majority of sellers I know will never leave a negative feedback, which I think is an even bigger disservice to the Ebay community.

dude · July 9, 2003 1:03PM

mikeschmidt -- You make a great PR man! Your explanation is pretty much correct. I'll only add that the motive for posting the negatives at 89.9 days since the auction closed is to minimize my exposure to retaliatory negative feedbacks. MS is also correct in that people who fail to leave justified negatives do the eBay community a disservice.

autosoft · July 11, 2003 1:31AM

<< <i>John,

Let me email you the garbage that I have been through with one seller on a $2600 transaction and it will become perfectly clear to you.

If you FEDEX payment after a seller agrees to ship insured, then have the seller magically lose the reciept proving that the cards were even shipped, then play games with you on the refund until you get EBAY, Square Trade, & the Postal authorities involved, then send you a bad check ... does this deserve a negative?

If the answer is no: What if you come to find that the seller has done this same thing with another buyer for even more money?

Regards,

Alan >>

Hey Alan

Particularly since I was one of the other buyers that it happened too..

Very disappointed to hear that the cheque was bad....Hoped you would get you money back after all the hassle...

Pretty sure usually it is 90 days to post feedback...

acowa · July 11, 2003 1:36AM

He finally sent me a postal money order...but it was a huge hassle. If guys like you and I don't alert people...the cycle will never stop.

Regards,

Alan

autosoft · July 11, 2003 1:56AM

Hey Alan

I agree ...People like this give the collecting world a bad name and really take alot of fun out of it for us honest people that are trying to complete our sets...

You said it best this seller uses ebay as his SHORT Term loan system and I am sure many others did not get their proiduct...

Thx
Garry

cardbroad · July 11, 2003 2:32AM

"If guys like you and I don't alert people...the cycle will never stop."

What people are you alerting? I don't know who the seller is but a lot of people could have been alerted to his activities during the 90 day wait to snipe with a negative feedback. If you are concerned about the cycle never stopping the easiest way to do this is try to reduce potential victims. This is why the feedback is there. I understand your desire to keep a clean feedback record but you can reply to a negative feedback that somebody gives you. Leave negatives professionaly with facts and no emotion and reply to them with facts and no emotion. Anybody with half a brain needing to study your feedback can see that you are not the problem.

I don't mean to imply that it is your fault if new victims are hit during your 90 days waiting time but maybe your input could have prevented one. If there are other victims then your quick courageous negative may be followed shortly by a lot other copycat negatives from other victims. This is the fastest way to stop the cycle.

dude · July 11, 2003 4:02AM

There are various violations and different ways of approaching each one. I've never received a negative and I've given out plenty for dead-beat bidders. In the case of dead-beat bidders, the best mechanism for dealing with them is to file a non-paying refund. This has to be done within 45 days of the transaction if I'm not mistaken. I always do that and for two reasons. One is that you get your eBay fees refunded, but also you give the bidder a mark against him and if he receives them from 3 different sellers, he's gone. As mentioned earlier, I will give out negatives near the 90 day mark to minimize any retaliation, but that seems to have no major advantage anymore since the auctions stay up for as long as 4 months. That didn't seem to be the case in the past. When I did it before, it seemed like 93 days was the longest it ever stayed alive.

Getting ripped off by a seller is different. I guess I'd it depends on the amount and the circumstances, but I'd do a lot more than just give a negative. But at some point the seller should get a negative if it doesn't get resolved and sometimes you really don't know the real story until it's investigated, so there are times where an instant negative is not warranted.

The real issue to me is that eBay's feedback system is far from perfect. There are Platinum Sellers that hardly give any feedback at all. These guys are holding bidders hostage and I have a problem with that. I guess as long as eBay's system is in place, we have to dance around the system and do what's best for us.

Virtualizard · July 11, 2003 7:16AM

I buy about 85% and sell about 15% on ebay. I know negative feedback affects a seller much more than a buyer. Currently, I have 2360 positive feedbacks with no negatives or neutrals. If I got a negative or 2, as a buyer it wouldn't affect me at all. How many sellers really look at a buyer's feedback for negatives when they have a rating of over 100? When I sell however, I'd be concerned about recent negatives. Luckily, I haven't had to deal with it yet, but I have thought about it. I think my reply to the negative would be simple: "Retaliation. If concerned, email me for details: jeb@virtualizard.com".

If a potential bidder on one of my auctions would have a concern, the mechanism would be there to discuss at length the situation for which the negative feedback was given.

I have bought from/sold to many of the members here. Have any of you ever even looked at my feedback? I really don't think it's that big of a deal. I've bought cards from sellers with many negatives and had no problems.

I have come to respect many of you who have posted to this thread and have even dealt personally with a few of you, but I have to agree with cardbroad:

<< <i>What people are you alerting? I don't know who the seller is but a lot of people could have been alerted to his activities during the 90 day wait to snipe with a negative feedback. If you are concerned about the cycle never stopping the easiest way to do this is try to reduce potential victims. This is why the feedback is there. I understand your desire to keep a clean feedback record but you can reply to a negative feedback that somebody gives you. Leave negatives professionaly with facts and no emotion and reply to them with facts and no emotion. Anybody with half a brain needing to study your feedback can see that you are not the problem. >>

Well said, cardbroad.

JEB.

How do you determine the last day that you can leave feedback for an EBAY transaction?

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