Where does evidence of trimming end and missing a chunk of card begin?

brumbach

Sorry for the cryptic title. I've been bouncing around the idea of seeing how much of a '53 Topps PSA/DNA certified autograph set I can put together. I recently picked up this Johnny Groth card and really hadn't noticed the bottom right corner so much when I had bid on it. There is a good slice of card missing. Would something like this possibly be rejected for trimming or would the card just get further knocked down grade-wise.



Thanks in advance for any opinions, Bill.

AlanAllen

I think they'd grade that. It was not cut to be deceptive, it's just a "well loved" card. There was a similar '52 Mantle someone posted a few weeks back.

Joe

purelyPSA

I think the main criteria for PSA/DNA is the signature and not the card..so they'll likely encapsulate that.

On the subject of signed '53s, a dealer friend of mine has an autographed '53 Jackie Jensen from that set. I collected signed cards for fifteen years, but that's one of the best looking signed cards I've ever seen.

BigKidAtHeart

<< <i>I think the main criteria for PSA/DNA is the signature and not the card... >>

wrong.
in the PSA/DNA - PSA deal, you pay $20,
send it to PSA/DNA for auto authentication only,
they send to PSA for REGULAR GRADING OF THE CARD.

the only difference in this or Regular PSA Grading
is that they will not grade an auto card that is not
authenticated. - so PSA/DNA does that for them.

They still grade the exact same way they always would.

~jeff

(but I do think it would be graded and not kicked for being trimmed)

purelyPSA

BKAH - You're missing my point. I'm saying that if PSA were really catering to their customers, they'd grade the card even though it's obviously been trimmed, because the sig is the primary reason the collector is sending the card in to PSA/DNA, not its condition.

This is not to meant to sound like a boast, but I've collected signed cards for the better part of two decades. Believe me, the signature (and its provenance) is first and foremost; the conditon of the card is WAY down the list. The difference between a VG 3 and an Ex-Mt 6 is of minimal consequence for signed card collectors. My point was that I think PSA would give this card a PR-FR 1 and authenticate the signature than bounce it for trimming. That would be the smartest thing they could do, since most of the customers for PSA/DNA are primarily looking for authentication of the signature and not card grading.

brumbach

Thanks for responses guys. I figured that the missing slice of card wouldn't be too much of an issue but I don't submit enough to know from personal experience. As mentioned above, my main motive for PSA/DNA submission would be to authenticate the signature on any given card rather than expect any kind of grade over 3 for what I would be submitting. I just figured it would suck to have an autograph authenticated only to have the card itself bounced for some percieved alterations.

Bill