ESPN's list of overrated athletes
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From ESPN's Page 2, there are some other interesting lists in the right column. Do you agree w/ this list?? Who's on yours??
The List: Most overrated athletes
By Jeff Merron
Page 2 staff
As those MLB All-Star ballots roll in, we couldn't help but ponder the mystery: Why do so many fans think Ivan Rodriguez is the best catcher in the NL? Why is Paul Lo Duca not even among the top five vote getters? Obviously, Lo Duca is underrated. And I-Rod is overrated.
But there are a lot of athletes in sports today who are much more overrated than I-Rod. Here are the Top 10 whose reputations most exceed them.
1. Vince Carter
The second coming of Michael Jordan? Not quite. To quote one ESPN editor who's seen this country through a bagful of undeclared wars, "Vince Carter is the most overrated athlete of my lifetime."
2. Mike Tyson
Ten heavyweights we'd take over Tyson:
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Sonny Liston
Jack Johnson
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey
3. Derek Jeter
What's the deal with Steinbrenner asking Jeter, in that Visa commercial, how he can afford his nights on the town? George, you pay the man. Or, we should say, overpay ($19 million a year through 2010). Jeter's good. Very good. Probable Hall of Famer. But his performance has declined every year since 1999, and he's only the fourth-best shortstop in the AL. Defensively? Adequate, at best, as Rob Neyer explains here.
4. All closers
What does it take to make an "excellent" closer? Give a half-decent pitcher the ball, a lead of up to three runs, nobody on base, and only one inning to pitch every two or three days. He'll rack up dozens of "saves" and be called "one of the best closers" and reap millions in rewards.
As one GM told Peter Gammons, "There are about three closers who really make a difference in the game. Otherwise, the notion of paying an Armando Benitez or Robb Nen $6.7 million to $8.8 million is outdated and silly."
5. Darin Erstad
Erstad had one great season in his career, and many poor-to-fair seasons. He may contribute the "intangibles," but the Angels center fielder is the worst-hitting regular center fielder in the AL, and near the bottom among all outfielders. During the 2002 World Series, Angels manager Mike Scioscia said, "We have some guys who can hit the ball out of the park, but predominantly we're a club that does battle at the plate and moves runners along, and it's been successful for us this year." Erstad wasn't one of the guys who could hit the ball out of the park (19 homers total in 2001 and 2002), and he wasn't one of the runners who got moved along (terrible .313 on-base percentage in 2002). One great season does not a great (or even good) player make.
6. David Duval and Phil Mickelson
How many majors have the two won between them? Mickelson: 0 (in 44 tries). Duval: 1 (in nine years on the PGA). One reason Tiger's been so incredibly dominant: Duval and Mickelson can't touch him. If we're looking for someone to challenge Woods, it's way past the time to start looking elsewhere.
7. Antoine Walker
A friend's e-mail said, simply, "Check out that shooting percentage!" So we did. And, wow. He's the worst shooter in the NBA among players who averaged at least 8 points per game. Lowest field-goal percentage (.388). Unfortunately, only five players in the league put the ball up more. Walker was also among the worst 3-point shooters, which begs the question of why he attempted a whopping 582 3-pointers last season. And here's the topper: Shaq shot better from the charity stripe than Walker.
8. Jake Plummer
Career passer rating: 69.0. Career TD passes: 90. Career INTs: 112. Sure, he played in the football wasteland that is Arizona, but that's no excuse: Plummer did nothing to elevate the Cardinals. That's what a good QB is supposed to do. But Plummer's not good. There's no evidence to suggest he is. So, the question remains: Why did the Broncos give Plummer a $7 million bonus to sign with them as a free agent?
9. Pavel Bure
The Russian Rocket? For years he's been struggling even more than the Russian space program. And he comes at a higher price.
10. Chris Webber
Doesn't battle it out under the basket. Averages 60 games per season. Hasn't done what it takes to move from "very good" to "great." It's all been said before, and it's all true. Page 2's Charley Rosen, who's forgotten more about basketball than we'll ever know, once ran through a list of the league's clutch players. Was C-Webb in there? You bet. As a "decoy." Ouch.
Also receiving votes: Jerry Stackhouse
Oscar de la Hoya
Andy Roddick
Tony Stewart
Ben Wallace
David Beckham
Alfonso Soriano
Johnny Damon
Eric Lindros
The List: Most overrated athletes
By Jeff Merron
Page 2 staff
As those MLB All-Star ballots roll in, we couldn't help but ponder the mystery: Why do so many fans think Ivan Rodriguez is the best catcher in the NL? Why is Paul Lo Duca not even among the top five vote getters? Obviously, Lo Duca is underrated. And I-Rod is overrated.
But there are a lot of athletes in sports today who are much more overrated than I-Rod. Here are the Top 10 whose reputations most exceed them.
1. Vince Carter
The second coming of Michael Jordan? Not quite. To quote one ESPN editor who's seen this country through a bagful of undeclared wars, "Vince Carter is the most overrated athlete of my lifetime."
2. Mike Tyson
Ten heavyweights we'd take over Tyson:
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Sonny Liston
Jack Johnson
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey
3. Derek Jeter
What's the deal with Steinbrenner asking Jeter, in that Visa commercial, how he can afford his nights on the town? George, you pay the man. Or, we should say, overpay ($19 million a year through 2010). Jeter's good. Very good. Probable Hall of Famer. But his performance has declined every year since 1999, and he's only the fourth-best shortstop in the AL. Defensively? Adequate, at best, as Rob Neyer explains here.
4. All closers
What does it take to make an "excellent" closer? Give a half-decent pitcher the ball, a lead of up to three runs, nobody on base, and only one inning to pitch every two or three days. He'll rack up dozens of "saves" and be called "one of the best closers" and reap millions in rewards.
As one GM told Peter Gammons, "There are about three closers who really make a difference in the game. Otherwise, the notion of paying an Armando Benitez or Robb Nen $6.7 million to $8.8 million is outdated and silly."
5. Darin Erstad
Erstad had one great season in his career, and many poor-to-fair seasons. He may contribute the "intangibles," but the Angels center fielder is the worst-hitting regular center fielder in the AL, and near the bottom among all outfielders. During the 2002 World Series, Angels manager Mike Scioscia said, "We have some guys who can hit the ball out of the park, but predominantly we're a club that does battle at the plate and moves runners along, and it's been successful for us this year." Erstad wasn't one of the guys who could hit the ball out of the park (19 homers total in 2001 and 2002), and he wasn't one of the runners who got moved along (terrible .313 on-base percentage in 2002). One great season does not a great (or even good) player make.
6. David Duval and Phil Mickelson
How many majors have the two won between them? Mickelson: 0 (in 44 tries). Duval: 1 (in nine years on the PGA). One reason Tiger's been so incredibly dominant: Duval and Mickelson can't touch him. If we're looking for someone to challenge Woods, it's way past the time to start looking elsewhere.
7. Antoine Walker
A friend's e-mail said, simply, "Check out that shooting percentage!" So we did. And, wow. He's the worst shooter in the NBA among players who averaged at least 8 points per game. Lowest field-goal percentage (.388). Unfortunately, only five players in the league put the ball up more. Walker was also among the worst 3-point shooters, which begs the question of why he attempted a whopping 582 3-pointers last season. And here's the topper: Shaq shot better from the charity stripe than Walker.
8. Jake Plummer
Career passer rating: 69.0. Career TD passes: 90. Career INTs: 112. Sure, he played in the football wasteland that is Arizona, but that's no excuse: Plummer did nothing to elevate the Cardinals. That's what a good QB is supposed to do. But Plummer's not good. There's no evidence to suggest he is. So, the question remains: Why did the Broncos give Plummer a $7 million bonus to sign with them as a free agent?
9. Pavel Bure
The Russian Rocket? For years he's been struggling even more than the Russian space program. And he comes at a higher price.
10. Chris Webber
Doesn't battle it out under the basket. Averages 60 games per season. Hasn't done what it takes to move from "very good" to "great." It's all been said before, and it's all true. Page 2's Charley Rosen, who's forgotten more about basketball than we'll ever know, once ran through a list of the league's clutch players. Was C-Webb in there? You bet. As a "decoy." Ouch.
Also receiving votes: Jerry Stackhouse
Oscar de la Hoya
Andy Roddick
Tony Stewart
Ben Wallace
David Beckham
Alfonso Soriano
Johnny Damon
Eric Lindros
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Career passer rating: 69.0. Career TD passes: 90. Career INTs: 112. Sure, he played in the football wasteland that is Arizona, but that's no excuse: Plummer did nothing to elevate the Cardinals. That's what a good QB is supposed to do. But Plummer's not good. There's no evidence to suggest he is. So, the question remains: Why did the Broncos give Plummer a $7 million bonus to sign with them as a free agent?
HES KNOWN AS THE COMBACK KING! dont agree with that one
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Ben Wallace
Alfonso Soriano
Sure ben cant score great but he is the best defender in the nba
and soriano is a 40 40 guy in the makeing how is he over rated?
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bjork, don't make me kick your a$$...lol. In the last 2 years, he's won a championship and came in 4th in points last year. 4 Championships in 10 years of racing... Took Earnhardt and the Petty approx. 30 years to get their 7 and nobody calls them overrated. Gordon has more wins that any other driver over the past 10 years and more championships as well. Heck, he's in second again this year. WTF you been watchin'?
I think similar cases can be made with both Kobe and Gordon: they either are or were treated like the gods of their respective sports and they have both proved to be remarkably human. And I guess for dirtmonkey I can say that Gordon has been overrated just for the past year... sorry my bad
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<< <i>kobe BRYANT?!?! >>
yea... he's good, but not as good as people hype him up to be...
<< <i>even Montana or Marino couldn't make the HOF with that team >>
how do you know? you seen Montana or Marino play 6 years w/ the 1997 - 2002 Cardianls?
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<< <i>kobe BRYANT?!?! >>
yea... he's good, but not as good as people hype him up to be... >>
add lebron james in that list at #1 right now
lebron ...darko???
not fair to say, a little premature, they havent even got a chance yet...
ming is far more overrated than they are, i was impressed with ming ONCE, when they played Lakers and he had like 6 blocks
Thus Shaq, still had like 34 lol...In that game though, Francis was the BEST player on the court, hands down..
Lemme put in my 2 cents on overrated athletes:
cal ripken (good solid player...once upon a time.....but lets face it, to put him in the same sentence as lou gehrig is soo stupid...ripken is a great guy, great heart, but he is far from one of the best baseball players)
jason sehorn COME ON..he had like..ONE good season, i think...the guy got burnt time after time last year...then u see a game and the people calling the game are talkin bout him like he isnt human...psssshhh
jason kidd OK, he IS THE best PG in the league at the moment, but hell...Saying he contends for MVP with TMac, Shaq, KG, Kobe, Duncan is plain STUPID...Kidd has such a good supporting cast, the guy is good, he shouldnt be labeled as great though
thats some that come to mind, im sure i could think of more if i put my mind to it
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Thats bull.
As for the Lebron statement, he has to be the most overrated. If he did what is currently expected of him
(by ESPN standards and ebay sales), he would have to average 50 points a game and the Cavs will sweep through the playoff and be champs... Guess it could be worse. He could have been drafted by the talent cesspool that is the Clippers
What's the deal with Steinbrenner asking Jeter, in that Visa commercial, how he can afford his nights on the town? George, you pay the man. Or, we should say, overpay ($19 million a year through 2010). Jeter's good. Very good. Probable Hall of Famer. But his performance has declined every year since 1999, and he's only the fourth-best shortstop in the AL. Defensively? Adequate, at best, as Rob Neyer explains here.
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<< <i>Here's some candidates:
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Jason Giambi
Luis Gonzalez
Leyton Hewitt (sp?)
Venus Williams
Ty Tryon
Se Ri Pak
Kurt Warner (sorry )
Tom Brady
Kobe Bryant (and I collect him! shame on me )
Jeff Gordon (at least in the past couple of years)
Patrick Roy (at least recently)
Jaromir Jagr >>
Gordon, Kobe, and Gonzo are not overrated. Jeff Gordon is the greatest racer of all time, hands down. Look at his stats, he won 50 races faster than petty and earnhardt combined! Kobe Bryant is the BEST all around player in the NBA, and is in the top 3 in most dominate behind TD and Daddy. Gonzo, if anything if underrated. No one ever talks about him, but when he is healthy he puts up steady numbers.
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<< <i>LOL bjork and Kev...
As for the Lebron statement, he has to be the most overrated. If he did what is currently expected of him
(by ESPN standards and ebay sales), he would have to average 50 points a game and the Cavs will sweep through the playoff and be champs... Guess it could be worse. He could have been drafted by the talent cesspool that is the Clippers >>
Ow... so true it hurts
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