How many coin collectors are there in the US?
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Out of the 290,000,000+ people in the US, how many collect coins?
Any gueses?
Can anyone supply "offical" numbers from an organization?
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Also the point raised before is a good one - What is a collector? Someone who competes against you for the coins you seek? Someone who would likely buy from you? In my case, the collector I am interested in counting is the collector who likes copper and would likely join my site. The collector who would likely at least paruse my eventual online store, and might buy an item or two.
The only "official" numbers I can get close to are the memberships of a few clubs and the readership of a couple of periodicals - but again, they tell little as to the actual number of collectors that are out there.
NCADD membership - between 200 and 400.
CONECA membership - between 700 and 1,000.
Coin World and Numismatic News readership is over 100,000
Krause Publications could probably shed some light (if they are willing to release the info) on readership of all their publications (to include NN) if you give them a call. I'm sure the info is released to potential advertisers. I think this information would be much more valuable than club membership.
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some coin buyers are more akin to "accumulators", "investors", "hoarders", etc., same genus, different species
anyway, it depends on which population the question refers to. The 100 million number undoubtably includes people who save bicentennial and now state quarters from circulation and keep them in a coffee can, as well as anyone who has a few old or foreign coins squirreled away, maybe from a relative. Another metric, the ANA has 30,000 members, there might be 10x that or 300,000 "serious" collectors, and some specialties (early mint state type, proof pre-1933 gold, patterns, etc) might have a dozen or two "collectors" and only a thousand or two people who can even own the coins, they're so rare. not to mention not that many people who can even afford them.
one way to define "collector": if you offer to sell them, say, a pcgs graded MS65 morgan dollarfor $20, do they buy it from you? I think maybe one million Americans would do it, or about one in 250.
another way would be to find out how many people shop for coins on eBay. Does anyone have this figure?
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Casual interest with a few Morgan dollars and Ikes that grandma left : 1,000,000
Mild collectors: 300,000
Temporary collectors: 100,000
ANA members: 30,000
serious numismatists: 20,000
master numismatists: 5,000
coin freaks who live and breath numismatics: 1,000 ( I am in this category and probably 1/2 of board members).
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There's gotta be at least several hundred thousand I would think.
<< <i>coin freaks who live and breath numismatics: 1,000 ( I am in this category and probably 1/2 of board members) >>
Everyone thinks I am a coin freak around here......
As in.... "You paid HOW MUCH for that thing?" So I am thought of as totally NUTS. Sadly, I could show most of you the same coin and get the same exact words and get a different meaning altogether.
If you counted up every soul that has a wheat penny or Mercury dime then almost everyone is a coin collector. No way to truly count.
I thought it was a requirement to be a coin freak before you were allowed on this board....
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I place the number somewhere between 500 thousand and one million.
Coin World has atempted to calculate the number of collectors in the past using the combined paid subscribership to the major numismatic periodicals. After doing their best to eliminate duplicate subscribers they had a total of about 120,000 unique subscribers. From their own surveys of their subscribers they found that each issue is seen by on average three people. If that holds true for the other publications as well then that would imply 360,000 people
Another way to get an estmate is to look at the mint mailing list. They have about three million names on their list. When they do a mailing they have about a 10% response rate (Which for a direct mailing is an amazing rate of return. Industry standard is 1 - 3%.) So that would be 300,000. Now since not everyone buys from the mint we can probably estimate that those who do account for 1/2 to 1/3 of the number of collectors. That gives a collector figure between 600 and 900 thousand.
A third possible way may be to use the membership of the largest club in the country, the ANA. They have a membership of about 36 thousand. Now I find that in any group the number of truly "active" people runs at about 5% (Out of the membership of a club, 5% do the work. Form a committee and the work is done by 5% of them. This seems to hold true no matter what the group size or what subsets of subsets are selected, the active members are between 3 to 5%.) If this holds for the number of collectors with the "active" being those who join the ANA then the number of collectors would be about 720,000.
Fourth way to estmate would be to look at the mintage figure of moderns or proof sets etc at which the aftermarket has difficulty supporting prices. Long term to me this figure seems to be around 1.2 million. Now supposedly about 10% is purchased or held by non-collectors and I would guess another 10% or so are held in dealers stock. That would seem to imply around 900 thousand or so for an upper limit.
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coin collectors and another 4,000,000 who saved some coins because of a numismatic interest
from time to time. Perhaps 400,000 of these were serious enough about collecting to seek out
the assistence of others and/or to pay substantial premiums for needed coins.
Today there are probably around 20,000,000 who consider themselves colllectors, another 40
or 50 million just playing around with the states coins or sacs or the like. The ranks of those
willing to pay premiums is likely swelling and the numbers in the other categories may actually
be starting to drop.
Most of us started out with coin collecting as a hobby. While hobby represents one extreme, the other extreme is investment. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle (some pay for a coin in G condition while another will pay up for that coin in MS65).
In either case, you need to know where the hobby part ends, and strictly investment begins.
buying end of the hobby, its gotta be something over the 500,000 mark.
I like Conder101s #4 idea as a way to exstrapilate the answer.
I thought of `keys` and their supply and demand levels.
Surely that could be an indicator as to how many `collectors there are out there.
If not just in that series, maybe look at many s / d ratios of keys in different series.